Rebuilding Brain After Long Term Cannabis/various Other Drug Use From Age 14-24

Aloha! I am 24 years old and just recently quit using cannabis. I love the plant but it's time for me to function at my highest level. I smoked pretty much everyday in high school, anywhere from a gram to a quarter ounce a day ( I'm from So Oregon, lots of grass) I quit for about a year from 21-22 during that time I picked up a pretty gnarly opiate addiction at the end of it I was smoking pills off aluminum foil ( fucking gross I know) during my prolonged drug use I've also eaten handfuls of E and snorted up mounds of coke. Drugs were my life for years. I just recently quit smoking for a couple weeks, was eating a bulletproof diet and supplementing with the recommended amino acids to help rebuild my brain. ( New Mood from onnit is fucking amazing I tried to replicate the stack with supps from swansons and it just wasn't the same ) quiting that time was easier than ever. I fucked up and smoked one night after drinking at sushi, I knew drinking was a bad idea. I fell right back into smoking lots of hash oil and green. I have just recently quit again ( came to Thailand to get my fiancés amalgam fillings removed ) and this time it's total hell. I know mostly because my diet is total shit over here. Trying my best to avoid msg and we are going to go buy some coconut oil and grass fed butter when we get back to the city. My memory is shit, I can hardly read, I forgot what I just read almost instantly. My question is what do you fellow bulletproofers recommend for rebuilding my brain, I know using drugs while the brain develops is terrible but I'm extremely hopeful that I can get myself back to where I should be. Do you recommend any nootropics to help rebuild? Would CILTEP help rebuild my memory centers? Would modafinil help at all? ( I haven't done much research on it to see what it actually does to the brain ) Sorry for the long rambling post, my brain is so out of whack right now. All these carbs are killing me. I'll probably refine this post and make another that's actually readable when I can think straight.


Thanks in advance,

Desperate in Thailand

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  • Hey buddy..

    I'm really interested in how your progress with this goes. There's SO MANY young people who have been hurt by addiction that I've been hesitant to work with on any level because I just don't know what to expect, so it's great to see that you're trying to get out of that vicious cycle. I want to know how well BPC works for you.


     


    Check out this PDF, it's extremely relevant to you:


    http://mhof.net/sites/default/files/Nutrition%20in%20Addiction%20Recovery.pdf


    Maybe skip down to the part about "Recovery Foods for Neurotransmitters" or "Summary of Abused Substances and Associated Health Problems"


     


    This book might also be helpful: http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Weeks-Sobriety-Alcoholism-Nutrition/dp/0449002594 


    It's from the late 90s, so there's more modern versions of the supplements the author recommends, but the information is still really important

  • Not that it is all gluten, but are you gluten free? I know with me and a lot of others it causes major brain fog and memory issues. Also it attaches to opiate receptors, something you should avoid with your situation.
  • Thanks for the replies guy! Yes I am gluten free! Most of the food going in is carbs at the moment. My fiancé and I just arrived at our detox retreat and I'm hoping the food is better. I also think I have been eating lots of msg, I've been trying my best to avoid it, eating at Muslim restaraunts, and telling my waiters no msg please. Was on straight rice and butter for a few days but ran out. I've pretty much been eating charcoal after about half of my meals, so much dirty food over here in Thailand.


    I will keep you posted when I get back and see how I start reacting when I am eating a bulletproof diet. The time I quit before it was working wonders.
  • Hey Seth! I was trolling the forums the other day and saw you wrote something about bho and cb receptors. I would greatly appreciate any literature you have on the subject!!! I was trying to find your post and stumbled on my old one.


    As far as staying clean goes... I didn't even make 8 hours when we got back from Thailand. I was doing more damage beating myself up and being stressed out about smoking :/ Didn't have a house ( our place had gnarly black mold ) and was living the HI beach bum life (can't complain :) lots of surfing, and time for self reflection I decided embrace myself instead of fighting. Finally found a place and am getting my whirlwind of a life under control. I have been looking at purchasing a neuroptimal system for my family and I to use. So I decided to take one for a test drive and all I can say is WOW. This coupled with a desire to live the most fulfilled life possible, is the first time since I was 14 that I don't feel like I "need" to smoke. It's amazing, I've gotten clean due to court trouble after many a mishap, but still felt like something was missing. This is the first time I've felt freedom. I know it's cheesy sounding, all this internal strife just trying to quite smoking cannabis. It's just such a relief, not letting my fractured youth define me as a person any longer. I love cannabis and will advocate for people to have what is theirs, and a system to get people the medicine they need and deserve as human beings at a price anyone can afford. But my misuse and abuse has gone to far!









    Hey buddy..

    I'm really interested in how your progress with this goes. There's SO MANY young people who have been hurt by addiction that I've been hesitant to work with on any level because I just don't know what to expect, so it's great to see that you're trying to get out of that vicious cycle. I want to know how well BPC works for you.

     

    Check out this PDF, it's extremely relevant to you:
    http://mhof.net/sites/default/files/Nutrition%20in%20Addiction%20Recovery.pdf

    Maybe skip down to the part about "Recovery Foods for Neurotransmitters" or "Summary of Abused Substances and Associated Health Problems"

     

    This book might also be helpful: http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Weeks-Sobriety-Alcoholism-Nutrition/dp/0449002594 

    It's from the late 90s, so there's more modern versions of the supplements the author recommends, but the information is still really important

  • Jschlottig,


    As I'm sure you already know: there has been very little groundbreaking research on any kind of cannabis because of the legal issues surrounding it. Baseline endocannabinoid levels have never been measured to my knowledge and they're at least as important as thyroid or insulin etc.

    So when I make a statement about how raw-cannabis rebuilds the endocannabinoid system and how synthetic/solvent extracted "oils" destroy it, I'm speaking from over a decade of observing the two groups noting the similarities in their presentations to the way that synthetic drug users demonstrate dependence. 


  • GhastlyPrezGhastlyPrez Ghastly Prezence

    I had gone through this, although it was during the ages 14-22 (Am now 25) when I was smoking cannabis. Cannabis can be a mild nootropic in low doses (take a hit or two and it can help increase your creativity and productivity, however too much would make me lazy and goofy), trick is finding what that low dose is for you. A good nootropic that can help with rebuilding is Centrophenoxine. It has a few neuro-regenerative and healing qualities while also having some cholinergic properties which make pairing it with a Racetam stack easy and effective.


    Personally, I don't see cannabis causing any damage to one's brain. That being said extended use of cannabis can cause someone to pick up some bad habits, which those would need to be worked on in a different manner (ie: breaking old pothead habits and creating new productive ones in their stead). Not sure how much this has helped, but you should look into Centrophenoxine and if it looks like it would interest you send me a message and I will try and get a sample out to you.


     


    Cheers!


  • Actually I think I might have some cannabis related brain damage..


     


    It's when I'm looking for something, and I see it, I know I see it, and...


    That switch that tells me I found it doesn't go off. Sometimes even when I touch the thing I'm looking for and put it into my pocket, I still feel like I'm trying to find it, even though I know I have it already.


    And it doesn't matter if I'm smoking or not.

    This might be called "Seth's Syndrome" a few years from now.


  • GhastlyPrezGhastlyPrez Ghastly Prezence

    HAHAHA! Oh man, so many feels can be felt right now!


    I've experienced that on so many occasions, less frequently as of lately (could be all the nootropics, could be the reduction of RC's, could be diet/exercise, or the combo of all the above). Thing is more studies are coming out that small doses of Cannabis (well THC to be specific) has neuro-protective, neuro-regenerative and anti-carcinogenic benefits. So I wouldn't be so prompt to call pot the boogy man. More often than not it is diet and lack of exercise being the culprit of a fuzzed out memories or thoughts. Not saying that if you're completely blowed that you can't end up looking for the phone in your right hand, because we've all been there.


    You taking any nootropics to try and help combat this already?


  • it's like trading long term memory at the expense of the short. which is okay with me, i just have to keep other people around so I can find my glasses etc.


     


    I haven't dabbled much with nootropics because I feel like my brain is already trying to run on 220v with a gut that's rated for around 12v, so I'm actually trying to slow down most of the time.


  • GhastlyPrezGhastlyPrez Ghastly Prezence

    Well you aren't going to feel stimmed out like you would on Vyvanse or Adderall or any of those prescription drugs. Like Piracetam doesn't really feel much more different to me than a regular day aside from feeling slightly more focused on tasks that I'm working on. Most nootropics work on a much more subtle scale compared to the "hardcore" amphetamine based prescription drugs, so that feeling of "zoom zoom brain" isn't too much unless you start working on a complex and potent stack, basically meaning that a small scaled stack could be somewhat helpful without causing you any discomfort past what you've already described (could even help with it, :P who knows though).



    You should check our Sunifiram or Pramiracetam as both improve short term memory and long term memory without having to trade off anything too much. Sunifiram is much more potent so it might be something you personally don't want to try, but Pramiracetam could be pretty decent for you. Another thing about pramiracetam is that it has been seen in a study to have lasting benefits even when one has stopped taking it.


  • It may not be the answer you want to hear, but I think the quickest way you can get your brain and body working properly again is through diet, sleep, and exercise.


    Specifically, I would look at a paleo ketogenic diet that incorporates Intermittent fasting (IF). High fat, ketogenic diets are great for your brain.


     


    While I agree cannabis has some amazing properties (I have used it for 20+ years), chronic use of anything will have ramifications. I suspect chronic cannabis use impacts serotonin production among other things (like your endocrine system). For that alone you might want to look into using Trimethylglycine (TMG). Google it.


     


    Once you are getting 8+ hours of deep sleep per night, high intensity exercise 2-3x per week, and you are on a high fat paleo diet (grain must go), then you might consider any of the racetams.


     


    Im not a doctor or a specialist of any kind, this is just coming from personal experience and research.


     


    I am a supplement junkie so I know from experience that sleep, diet, and exercise positively impact your mental state more than almost any supplement.

  • TAGsync neurofeedback! That's how I fixed my extensive mental problems from years of heavy drug abuse in my youth. Now I am far beyond what I would have been otherwise. I realised that most drugs don't cause brain damage per se (as in, irreversible structural abnormalities on the micro-level), but they do disrupt the activation pattern of the brain, the delicate dance of synchronized excitation and inhibition, which is the means by which information is transferred and processed within and between different brain areas. To fix this you need to go to the root source and fix it there. This is exactly what neurofeedback allows you to do. Check out the thread I made on it here. Trust me, I had tried so so many things to alleviate my problems, most had no impact, some had a little, and quite a few made it a lost worse. For sure, as Feenix said above, you need a solid base of good sleep, diet and exercise to give you the basic elements. But these alone will not fix your brain's communication problems. No chemical or nootropic intervention will solve your problems. They may alleviate your symptom somewhat, but the root dysfunction will remain. TAGsync. Check it out.


  • Glad to hear you've stopped methin' around 


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