Nutritional Benefits Of Herbs In The Bp Diet.



  •       I have been consistently taking bacopa, ashwaghanda root, gotu kola, lemongrass, and ginger for months now and the stack seems to have a wide range of benefits and will treat many ailments. See my thread for more info on these: .

          I never thought about the nutritional benifits of edible herbs. I think I have cinnamon every day in my oatmeal, thyme and basil ever other day in my lentil soup, fresh cilantro, lime, and rosemary in cooked black beans every couple days too.

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  • NickatNickat
    edited July 2014


    To create a nice stack, we need to establish an endpoint and work backwards.  That way, we can choose herbs that complement one another in their digestion, metabolism, and biological impact.  Are you still looking to boost white cell count?




    Nic:  ''Most certainly am if at all possible''.


    The TianChi caught our eye as it`s claims to enhance and improve brain, hormone and sleep and might have helped. I`m guessing 6 months would have been a good benchmark to see movement in the cell count, if at all. Your right though, an endpoint and working backwards will established better results. Go for it.


    Some additional info for you to muse over.

    Last blood tests showed the following notable trends (following the BP Diet now just over one year):


    Serum testosterone                      32.55    nmol/L


    Red blood cell count                      4.94    10*9/L 

    Total white cell count                      3.2      10*9/L


    Neutrophil count                             1.2      10*9/L

    Lymphocytle count                          1.6      10*9/L

    Monocytle count                              0.3     10*9/L

    Eosinophil count                            0.10     10*9/L

    Basophil count                               0.00     10*9/L


    Serum vitamin B12                      >2000     ng/L


    Combined total Vit D2+D3               168    nmol/L


    Serum cholesterol                              5.0 mmol/L

    Serum triglycerides                            1.5 nmol/L

    Serum HDL cholestrial level               1.3 nmol/L

    calculated LDL cholesterol level         3.0 nmol/L

    total cholestrial:HDL ratio                   3.8 (fasting sample)


    (a bit about mmol/l is millimoles/liter and mg/dl as was curious)

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    Those taking ashwaghanda: what dosage and when? I'd like to use it to improve sleep but I'm under the impression it acts like a stimulant in some people. Looking to tinker with the jarrow sensoril brand, what's a good starting point?

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  • I have identified two hundred and nine genes in the regulation of human white blood cells.  I have been working on making some general conclusions and categorizing my information into the following groups:


    1) immune activation


    There are a class of herbs that contain N-phenylpropenoines that mimic the toxic effects of infection triggering the release of leukocytes.  I have designed a series of herbs that are designed to stimulate the immune system in such a way:


    Rehmannia root, cuscuta seed, punarnava root, echinacea root,  and golden seal root


    2) pro and anti inflammation differential


    According to research, COX expression and inhibition up-regulates the immune system.  It reminds me of Jack Kruse's cold thermogenisis protocol, but for the blood.  I have decided that devising a protocol is too risky without being monitored by a physician.


    3) glucocorticoid receptor activation


    When stimulated, glucocorticoid receptors prevent the release of T cells.  For this we look at herbs that will promote de novo genesis, and reduction of sterols.


    Pretty much any rhizome will do the trick.  Garlic, shitake mushrooms, and Siberian ginseng stack well too.



    4) emotional


    This one was fascinating to me.  Social isolation wrecks the immune system.  Meditation might prove to be an effective tool along with:


    ashwaghanda root, astragalus root, oldenlandia pycnogenol, and carthamus flower.


    Stick to one protocol at a time and monitor your results.  If you are doing well, stick with it, if not, move on to the next.

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    You know that wouldn't surprise us at all. Grown fresh for a supermarket and growing fresh from a wild source are two entirely different concepts.


    Think about the hybrid techniques and growing technology used to mass produce store bought so called fresh herbs and spices. Now compare that to the wild varieties that exist on the planet. Pretty sure if we examine this further with data we could find reasons and examples why this is the case? The nuclius of a seed pod is very likely to contain more than the leaf but might not always be the case.

    It's the placenta of life for the plant to grow. Could be worth researching the properties of stem, leaf, seed and fruit not to mention dried or fresh. Flavor and smell need not be as important as we are lead to believe.

    Don't even get us started on the storage of herbs and spices. The mycotoxins caused by bad storage etc...has been covered in another thread. Dave "The Canary" has plenty to say about that there.

    There`s a great article about the assessment of microbiological safety of dried spices and herbs here too:


    Lastly, further natural causes of why some plants produce toxins biologically to repel or counter diseases etc...

    These do change the nutrients of the plants themselves and should be looked at too.


    Wow thanks for linking that study! I never knew it was really that bad, thank god I'm not buying any dried spices. I've been growing my own and only occasionally would pick up some at a farmer's market where they've been harvested within the same week. I sometimes really wonder how "regular people" working 2 jobs could become bulletproof.. they don't have time to find all this stuff and make an elaborate decision in the supermarket.

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  • NickatNickat
    edited February 2015

    Those taking ashwaghanda: what dosage and when? I'd like to use it to improve sleep but I'm under the impression it acts like a stimulant in some people. Looking to tinker with the jarrow sensoril brand, what's a good starting point?



    Never taken Ashwagandha but am thinking on rotating that with Astragalus to see just how that makes me feel.

    The comparison might reflect in a blood test but IDK.


    Update: So embarking on taking we found this study on significant increases in white blood cell counts and platelet counts  observed in, yeah, animals.

    Should be interesting next time a blood count is taken.


    Beginning to think that taking it as a liquid extract might be easier over the course of a day (3 dosages).

    Ratio of herb to alcohol  1:2 (1ml is the equivalent of 500mg of dried herb) so 0.6ml per dose

    Downside is the alcohol is grain derived. Upside is that this technique gets the purest gains from the plant as an extract.

    Still sitting on the fence about this form though.

    As Jason has explained to us getting a consistent dose from a plant is difficult at best.

    Manufacturers just can not guarantee it being the same every time.


    Have been taking 5 HTP and a B complex (for added B6) for sleep but now thinking of dropping 5HTP to replace with L-Theanine instead. Will keep taking Passion Flower and Valerian as a stack and combine with Ashwagandha. 5 HTP seemed to be having little effect in terms of sleep quality and serotonin dumps with B vits now an issue.

  • NickatNickat
    edited July 2014



    Will be sticking to one protocol at a time and monitor the  results. 


    Decided to give Astragulas tincture the fist shot. Then Ashwagandha as a comparison later.


    (So far the bigest noticible difference is how astragulas raises body temp...almost a sweat. Taking this with ginger is going to hot things up a little).


    Will keep *Rhizome Stack and Rehmannia as constants to begin with. Then make changes if need be. 

    Small steps first.


    Thinking of getting the liquid extract forms (Siberian ginseng, ginger tincture)and adding to raw honey and creatine making an infusion in cold green tea** as an ode to Evil Genius. To that add the astragulas or ashwagandha tinture.


    * Slow cooked garlic and butter and shitake mushrooms

       Might be easier and healthier to take the extracts daily though.


    ** Will be using Green tea extract in the form of EGCG (EGCG is purified from the leaves of green tea) where

        Catechin ( is higher.

         EGCG extract comes in various concentrations: 95%, 90%, 80%, 70%, 60% and this is reflected by color:

         90% ,95% are off-white to pale pink powder (Max. 0.1% Caffeine)

         80% 70%, 60% Milk yellow to light yellow powder (Max. 0.5% Caffeine)




    This is a Collaboration so thoughts anyone.

  • NickatNickat
    edited July 2014

    Green tea extract in the form of EGCG warning


    The antioxidant activity of EGCG is said to be 25-100 times more potent than vitamins C and E.


    Green tea is said provides 10-40mg of polyphenols and it`s antioxidant activity surpass broccoli, spinach, carrots or strawberries.


    But the green tea extract has had critisism when it comes to dosage. High amounts of catechins are said to cause harm (although to a larger part this may not necessarily be true or reliable):


    Please don`t think that this is a replacement for drinking green tea.

    It should be treated with some caution when dosing.


    Slightly off topic but worth reading about at this point is the PAGG stack developed by Tim Ferriss :


    P olicosanol: 20–25 mg
    A lpha-lipoic acid: 100–300 mg (or 150mg R-ALA equivalent to 300 mg of ALA)
    G reen tea flavanols (decaffeinated with at least 325 mg EGCG): 325 mg
    G arlic extract: 200 mg (aged garlic best)


    Take a B complex vitamin which reduces blood glucose levels and is important when supplementing with ALA. ALA interferes with regular biotin synthesis so take 250 mcg of Biotin.


    Have been informed that schedule is followed for six days a week with one day off each week.

    One week off every two months.



    It offers some insight.

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  • NickatNickat
    edited August 2014

    Tinctures can be made at home with dried or fresh herbs quite easily but for a more concentrated form of the herb an extract is needed. Sounds obvious right?


     Well it is but just make sure you know what you’re getting when using a liquid extract. So when dosing with the liquid extract know it is normally measured in drops.


    Be aware that there is quite a high ratio of essential oil lost in the preparation of tinctures making it lesser concentrated.


    Tinctures are normally an alcohol-base liquid mixture so they can be used to liquefy oil-based substances from plants because they don’t mix with water. A tincture can then be mixed with water if so desired.


    The liquid extracts on the other hand can be an alcohol-based or water based mixture. As previously stated the concentrate is normally higher. The ratio of plant to liquid is significantly higher.


     It should be noted that there are various levels of extraction that range from crude to higher grades.  Sometimes meticulous and precise standards are used in the extraction process. This can make distinctive differences to the characteristic of the plant.


    The glycerin and organic apple cider vinegar tintures are free from alcohol and offer a better BP alternative when makining your own. Thanks Evil Genius. Root Ginger would be an excellent choice using this method for sure. Dosage:15-20 drops

  • FatdudeFatdude
    edited August 2014

    A great way to eat herbs is a chimichurri sauce. Depending on the variation it includes cilantro, oregano, and parsley. 


    I've also been drinking some ginger water lately because I have a cold, basically put in a two inch piece of ginger with hot water and turn the vitamix to high for a minute. Pretty tasty. 

  • NickatNickat
    edited August 2014

    Green tea extract samples came in today (98% and 95%).

    Will have to adjust the quantity to see what is best. Thinking of 1/16 of a teaspoon (300mg).

    Decided on adding Siberian ginseng, ginger, raw honey and creapure to the herbal infusion.



    As you can see they are off-white in colour (the 98% seems very slightly paler pink).

    Max. 0.1% Caffeine in each.


    Dave talks about Green tea, the extract, EGCG and PAGG:


    The reason why the EGCG herbal compound was chosen is of course because of the rich polyphenols.

    The raw leaves of green tea are probably too weak and the inconsistent in strength from batch to batch and can varry the potential of health benefits. This has been pointed out on the thread.

    The same could be argued on most fruits and vegetables. Yet adaptions of herbal compounds can be refined and extractions made from them. Garlic and curcumin would also be well worth looking at.


    (Wish we had BP extracted herbal compounds Dave).


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  • NickatNickat
    edited August 2014

    Controversial Saigon Cinnamon.


    Two teaspoon of cinnamon a day is ‘’said’’ to improve fasting glucose.

    The effects are said to be immediate and are sustained for 12hrs.


    For best results try an N=1 for 20 days and test results daily. Add to coffee for convenience.


    If anyone is up for that and posting their results that would be make this less controversial on our BP diet.


    Cinnamaldehyde is the compound that gives cinnamon its flavor and odor. It is this that is found in the bark of cinnamon trees as an essential oil (90% cinnamaldehyde).

    The taste reflects the quality due to content of these cinnamaldehyde. The Ceylon Cinnamon is of a worse quality because of this and that is why Saigon is possibly better than the average cinnamon spice off the grocery shelf.

    The addition of cinnamon really is a short term solution and not an every day one.


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