Doing Bp Diet - Experiencing Rashes And Weight/fat Gain - Plz Help!

Hi everyone,


First, let me give you some background on my previous health prior to the BP diet.


I am 37 years old, 179cm (~5'11"), prior to BP diet I was 101.5kg (223 lbs) (I have previously been 80kg (176 lbs) and would like to return to this weight). I had been suffering ulcerative colitis for the previous 13 years and have finally found a way to cure this condition (about 80% cured at this point). I had been doing the GAPS diet (paleo for the most part, with an emphasis on a lot of bone broth soups (to heal colon wall) and probiotics through supplements and fermented foods eg. sauerkraut). I also cough up green flegm (suggesting bad bacteria) from my lungs from time to time. I have had lung specialists look at this, but no one has been able to work out exactly what's going on. They have given me an inhaler (Seritide), which I use very sparingly to "manage" this condition.


I started the BP diet a couple of months ago. I found the mental clarity from the BP coffee and MCT oil to be amazing and helped boost my productivity. I did experience the initial detox symptoms (headaches, going to the toilet frequently, etc). I reduced the dose of MCT oil until those symptoms stopped and then gradually increased over time. I kept increasing until I was taking 3 tsp of MCT oil per coffee. After the first couple of weeks on the BP diet, I would switch from the regular diet to BP Intermittent fasting for the next few weeks after that, then would decide on the day if i would do BPIF based on how hungry I was. When I was hungry, I would listen to my body and eat.


I found a few weeks into this process I broke out into a chronic rash (see attached pic). For some reason this rash seemed to concentrate itself from between my elbows to my wrists (both arms  and has been extremely painful and made sleeping at night a nightmare (waking up a number of times a night scratching these rashes) and I also found that i had dark regions around my eyes. I did also get some rashes across the remainder of the body, but minimal and very mild in comparison. In regards to the rash on my arms, this has been the most insatiable rash I have experienced, the desire to scratch is overwhelming and when scratching it, a scratch has never felt this satisfying to scratch.


From what I read the dark regions around my eyes suggested that my liver was under heavy load, so after a couple more weeks, I decided to take a break from the MCT oil to allow my liver play catch up and prevent further detox in the short term. This got rid of the dark regions around my eyes and had very minimal impact with my rashes. I have tried a bunch of creams and various salt baths, with very little success. I have found a vitamin E cream for sensitive skin which can help "manage" the rash, but no effect in eliminating it. The only thing I have found out there that may explain the rash (just a theory at this point) is what is called Herxheimer reaction (a response from bacteria die off due to the detox process). Given my history of my ulcerative colitis and this lung condition, perhaps I have more than my fair share of bad bacteria than most??


I am seeing both my doctor and naturopath in the next week, so will provide updates on what they have to say.


From a weight point of view, I have found I have put on quite a bit of muscle whilst doing no exercise during this time. I usually put on muscle quite easily when I train, but I would have to train 3-4 times a week for 3-4 months to put on the same amount of muscle mass. However I have also been putting on fat. My weight as of this morning is 107kg (235 lbs) with the weight increase having a breakdown of 40% being muscle and 60% being fat.


When I am doing the regular BP diet, my dietary intake looks like this:


- Breakfast (between 7-9am)- 3 scrambled eggs, bacon, tomatoes, mushrooms, sometimes baby spinach and some salmon (all fried in a pan with some grass fed ghee) + BP coffee with MCT oil and approx 40g (1.4 oz) of grass fed butter

- Lunch (12-2pm) - this is usually the hardest meal for me to stay BP (but usually fried chicken schnitzel using gluten free bread crumbs and friend in grass fed ghee - a chicken schnitzel roll when I have been naughty, I am getting better at this over time) + 2nd BP coffee with MCT oil and 40g (1.4oz) of grass fed butter

- Dinner (5-7pm) usually grass fed scotch fillet steak, with some garden salad plus a dollop of goat's milk yoghurt and some sauerkraut (on the odd occasion having steamed or lightly fried vegies instead of salad - but found I am not drawn to vegetables for the most part)

- snacks during the day - nuts (usually raw cashews and almonds that have been stored in the fridge)

- treat - sometimes after dinner - i will have a piece of Lindt 90% dark chocolate with a bit of coconut oil and a couple of nuts on top

- I also drink around 3L (0.8 gallons) of water per day


When I am doing the BP Intermittent fasting, the breakfast above becomes my lunch (dinner stays the same) and I will typically fast from 8pm at night until approx 1-2pm the next day (with the exception of my BP coffees)


The supplements I take are:

- Glutothione - 1ml per day

- activated charcoal as needed

- Collagen protein powder (only in the last 1-2 weeks) - 1 tbs 2 - 3 times a day

- Swisse Liver detox (assist with liver function, detox, digestion, etc)

- Vitamin D3 drops (8000 IU a day)

- some probiotic supplements to help with recovering from ulcerative colitis


Both the weight/fat gain and rash have me quite concerned. Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions/comments would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks in advance


Comments

  • DManDMan Master of Arts ✭✭✭

    This gluten free bread crumps in your schnitzel will have too much carbs. This, plus cashews, plus Lindt, plus yoghurt plus no exercise.. will make you fall out of the fat burning mode.


     


    Also do you refeed/protein fasting days?


     


    You might have something with your adrenals or thyroid going on. Are you experiencing mood swings, crashes in the afternoon etc?


    Belly fat and rashes can also come from cortisol....


     


    Since you have stuf with your gut going on. Do you have any type 2 or type 3 allergies? What did your GAPS diet do different from BP diet?


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  • Hi DMan,


    I probably should have mentioned that I am a newbie and need to learn a whole lot more before I know what I am doing. You certainly sound like you know your stuff. I will ask some questions below if that's ok. Please forgive my ignorance on a lot of these topics (however I'm eager to learn).


     


    Also, for any questions, if you could point me to any resources/books/URLs that would help my understood, I would be very grateful


     




    This gluten free bread crumps in your schnitzel will have too much carbs. This, plus cashews, plus Lindt, plus yoghurt plus no exercise.. will make you fall out of the fat burning mode.




     


    Understood. If am to do the Intermittent fasting, should I be capping the quantity of carbs once I do break the fast from 2pm onwards? Also incorporating the exercise program suggested on this website?


     


     




    Also do you refeed/protein fasting days?




     


    No, again, I'm still quite new to this and trying to work out which way is up. I have searched the forums and elsewhere and can't a intro guide for a newbie like me to the carb refeeding days. All I have been able to work out is that it will reset my leptin levels. Does this involve me incorporating some starches with dinner 1-2 times a week or is there more to it?


     


    Also, having revisited the BP diet chart since I first started, I would definitely say I have been eating a lot more protein than 20% of my calories, so will scale that back. Could that also be causing inflammation that may be causing the fat gain? Again, any resources for a newbie would be greatly appreciated.


     


     




    You might have something with your adrenals or thyroid going on. Are you experiencing mood swings, crashes in the afternoon etc?


    Belly fat and rashes can also come from cortisol....




     


    I think you may be onto something here. I will definitely speak to my doctor this week about getting my adrenals tested. I had my thyroid tested a few months back and I was told it is in the normal range. No mood swings or crashes in the afternoon. However my nervous system went through hell in the 3 years prior to this year (processing trauma that caused my ulcerative colitis in the first place) which affected my sleep, a lot of emotional eating, and high stress levels during this process. While I am certainly feeling better than I was a year ago, i still feel like I am playing catch up. No doubt it will take some time for my nervous system to feel balanced again (using emwave2 daily to help that along).


     


    Would the protein fasting diet (from what I under promotes reduction in inflammation) also help with my cortisol levels? Also I struggled to find any information on the BP protein fasting diet on the website. Does anyone know where I can find more info?


     


    It almost seems from what I have been reading that a refeed day 1-2 times a week a protein fasting day 1-2 times a week might help balance things out for me?


     


     



    Since you have stuf with your gut going on. Do you have any type 2 or type 3 allergies? What did your GAPS diet do different from BP diet?



     


    My apologies DMan, I have no idea in terms of what you are referring to. Can you elaborate and/or point me to a resource? That does sound like it could be a valid concern.


     


    The GAPS is essentially a paleo based diet that incorporates bone broth soups and fermented foods and probiotics on a daily basis (the idea is the rebuild the colon wall and recolonize the gut with the right bacteria). Whilst there was some good fat in the diet, not to the same level as the BP diet.


     


     


    Any other thoughts/ideas/suggestions/resources for newbies would be greatly appreciated.



    Thank you for your help and patience.


  • DManDMan Master of Arts ✭✭✭

    So many questions....


     


    If you want to stay in ketosis throughout the day you have to limit your carbs to max 30g per day. If you do workouts you need some more or it will be become stressfull to your body. It is very helpfull to incorporate MCT into your diet. However since you seem to have a problem with it you should use butter and have lots omega 3s as well.First of all I recommend go to a doctor who knows about nutrition and ketogenic diets, allergies etc. If it's really the MCT that is causing the rings under the eyes, then try to find out why. If that's an allergy symptom or some kind of inflammation. MCT oild can increase TH2 cytokines


    • MCT oil (R).  Increases TSLP, IL-25 and IL-33. 

    and yes it can damagage your liver. So be wary that you use it to support ketosis: http://selfhacked.com/2014/02/27/coconut-oil-causes-fatty-liver-insulin-resistance/ and use only a little.


     


    However if you have any problems with you adrenals a ketogenic diet might be a bad idea and a standard paleo diet might be best for now! Intermittent fasting will be bad as well.


     


    Dave recommends having carbs in the evening


     


    About refeeds:


    Once a week you should consume a regular amount of carbs and and only 20-30g of protein per day. It will trigger autophagy and you body will start consuming all aminoacids and destroy all broken and infected cells during this process. It will help reducing inflammation from proteins.... Maybe it will also help with the rash. This is also a day where you can do intermittent fasting and have all the carbs during the second half of the day. For an overview of how it works look at the top right corner of the BP info graphic. Also look carefully at the text. And optimize your supplements http://www.bulletproofexec.com/optimize-your-supplements/


     


    You were asking if a refeed might help you. Yes it will help reduce inflammation. However the lab tests will show what to do.


     


     


    What you should do


     


    high priority:


    - Relax and do one thing at a time. ;)


    - Stay on the green side of the diet.


    - Get adrenals checked (can be cause for rash)


    - Get your liver checked (I'm not sure if a ketogenic diet is good if you have a fatty liver. ask a doctor. and its suboptimal when you have adrenal fatigue. do a normal paleo diet when AF http://chriskresser.com/ask-the-rd-adrenal-fatigue-2)


     


    Medium Priority:


    - Try to find out what this rash is. Ask a skin doctor for an allergy test IGE and skin test. Since it hapened after a diet change there can be something. (Stress / adrenal and autoimmunty are soehow connected Gut-Brain-Skin Axis http://www.thepaleomom.com/2012/04/modifying-paleo-to-treat-psoriasis.html, http://chriskresser.com/naturally-get-rid-of-acne-by-fixing-your-gut)


    - Get your gut checked by making a stool test.


    - Since you have several problems with autoimmunity you can also spend money into an IGG antibody test or do an integration diet or try out the autoimmune paleo protocol. In germany you don't have to pay for an IGG test when you do a stool test and get diagnosed with leaky gut. (find a doctor who knows about leaky gut!). It acutually sounds like a type 3 allergy (IGG) because your rash started appearing after a few weeks. IGE reactions will appear immediately after eating certain things.


     


     


    Low priority (in order to optimize things further more)


    - Do a vitamin test


    - check your fatty acid profile


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  • Much to learn. After some reading, i always wondering if I may have a keto rash. Thank you for the resources, I will start reading through them and discuss these issues/tests with my doctor.


     


    You're a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you for your help!


  • I have a similar rash as well just not as big. I also have them on my neck.What a keto rash?


    I am highly allergic to wheat, i have been gluten free for a very long time doing IF for the past 2 months and loss 23lbs.


     


    I started RFLP last week and my rash came back, .... could it be that my body is finally releasing the last of the gluten that is in my system? It itches like crazy and burns when i sweat.


  • DManDMan Master of Arts ✭✭✭

    sometimes giving up gluten is not enough!!! could even bee a cross reaction with coffee or chocolate...


     


    you probably have some more allergies you don't know about. try paleo moms autoimmune protocol if you can't afford the tests. see link above.


     


    The keto rash makes sense too: http://forum.bulletproofexec.com/index.php?/topic/2166-keto-rash/


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  • coffee!!! dont take my coffee man lol 


     


    If it comes to that maybe but giving up pizza and beer (bread, dairy, sugar and hops oh glorious hops) was hard enough! 


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