Any Counter Arguments For This Guy?





This guy speaks out against grass fed protein. I would be interested to hear the counter arguments from you guys.

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  • RodRod The Rodfather
    It makes sense that certain things are stripped when making it into whey form (unsure myself) and he's taking jab at marketing which is pointless He is not a biologist or a chemist to understand the effects of sweets artificial or not on the human body. A big goal of BF is to decrease inflammation and keep insulin resistance as low as possible. He didn't take into consideration of Mycotoxins < -= BULLETPROOF! So, he is making some sense but I don't believe his perspective is far superior, my assumption is based on the lack of knowledge and information he supplied.

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  • edited November 2012
    Yea, after the fact I did some reading. There are GF wheys that are processed in a manner that preserves the beneficial nutrients in the milk. Daves protein is like this, I believe - and source naturals true whey is like this as well. Some/most/a little(?) immunoglobulins and lactoferrin are transported through the whole process, I believe.
  • suntouchersuntoucher Uninspired Potential ✭✭✭
    Overthinking... if you can afford it - get it. Otherwise just grab bulk whey concentrate that is without aspartame and other nasty bits. Preferably unflavored at all, but some people can't stomach that. There are some minimally flavored varieties as well.
  • ON Whey (the kind he said he just drank) - $31.24 on Amazon free shipping (2 lbs artificial vanilla)



    Grass-fed New Zealand Whey from Protein Factory - $35.30 post shipping (2 lbs. natural vanilla + stevia w/ sunflower lecithin)



    Sorry but his price claims are ridiculous. The difference in the above two products amounts to $20 a year for me. Let's examine his reasoning in terms of math. He says since the research on artificial sweeteners is split down the middle he chooses to just eat them. Let's say there's reasonably a 13% chance that artificial sweeteners are unhealthy for you. Would you invest 13% more for your protein? I don't necessarily care what your answer is, as no matter which you choose you can click one of the links above. But as for this guy his entire argument hinges on price, and I don't see his cost numbers playing out in reality whatsoever.
  • edited December 2012
    'Reis' wrote:


    Grass-fed New Zealand Whey from Protein Factory - $35.30 post shipping (2 lbs. natural vanilla + stevia w/ sunflower lecithin)




    I can't seem to find where it indicates this Whey is from grass-fed cows after following the link. It says "Derived from high quality mozzarella cheese,.." what does that mean?



    edit: All cows in New Zealand are grass fed. The cheese thing means it is derived from cheese by products, which is not exactly ideal. Normally you would want something derived directly from milk.



    My normal source of grass fed whey is: http://www.strongerfasterhealthier.com/products/whey_protein/pure_whey and I am waiting on their response to my inquiry about milk or cheese by product derivation.
  • Upgraded whey from Dave is derived directly from milk. I am not sure how it works.



    http://www.bulletproofexec.com/upgraded-whey/
  • 'Mark wrote:


    I can't seem to find where it indicates this Whey is from grass-fed cows after following the link. It says "Derived from high quality mozzarella cheese,.." what does that mean?



    edit: All cows in New Zealand are grass fed. The cheese thing means it is derived from cheese by products, which is not exactly ideal. Normally you would want something derived directly from milk.



    My normal source of grass fed whey is: http://www.strongerf...otein/pure_whey and I am waiting on their response to my inquiry about milk or cheese by product derivation.




    100% of whey is derived from the cheese-making process. Whey derived from high quality mozzarella cheese is actually whey that was separated from the milk in the process of making that specific kind of cheese. I'm not sure I follow you when you say "Normally you would want something derived directly from milk." because all whey is derived directly from milk. Without curdling milk to make cheese, you do not get whey protein.



    I'd be curious to know what SFH says about the difference. You can also go here, or here.
  • edited December 2012
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  • I guess I don't really know - I just know Dave states, "it is made from fresh milk, unlike most whey which is obtained from a waste product of cheese manufacturing." I guess some clarification is needed.
  • Here is a response I got from Stronger, Faster, Healthier regarding this grass-fed whey product: http://www.strongerfasterhealthier.com/products/whey_protein/pure_whey




    Hi,

    Thank you for your inquiry. Our whey is derived from milk.

    Best,

    Kim

    On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stronger Faster Healthier <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hello,



    A website inquiry was received from [email protected] in regards

    to Pure Whey Milk/Cheese?:



    Is your pure whey protein derived directly from milk or is it derived

    from cheese by-products?
  • edited December 2012
    I don't believe I am over thinking this, especially when this guy is basing his argument on cost...here it goes in a nuthshell. This matter should be based on Ethics, Economics, and Health...Not just whether or not you can get the best bang for your buck in a can of Whey.



    The most heavily subsidized crop that US citizens pay for every day is corn (http://bit.ly/UH5iKf)...cha ching! Who eats the corn and becomes sick, eventually needing antibiotics, thus creating mutated high tolerant superbugs, which is and will continue to make humans sicker...Unpastured animals (http://bit.ly/UHagql).

    Conclusion...Sicker humans needing stronger medication to treat new strains of bacteria that never existed until the introduction of subsidized corn and grain.



    You are actually saving money buying grass fed whey (even at a high price) when you consider the money we pay for subsidizing crops, the health risks when eating sick animals, not to mention the mutated bacteria making us even more susceptible to infection...There you have it. One problem after another leading to more medical research to prevent an epidemic just because people want cheap meat.



    We need to bulletproof our Farming industry as well...LOL!
  • suntouchersuntoucher Uninspired Potential ✭✭✭
    edited December 2012


    I don't believe I am over thinking this, especially when this guy is basing his argument on cost...here it goes in a nuthshell. This matter should be based on Ethics, Economics, and Health...Not just whether or not you can get the best bang for your buck in a can of Whey.



    The most heavily subsidized crop that US citizens pay for every day is corn (http://bit.ly/UH5iKf)...cha ching! Who eats the corn and becomes sick, eventually needing antibiotics, thus creating mutated high tolerant superbugs, which is and will continue to make humans sicker...Unpastured animals (http://bit.ly/UHagql).

    Conclusion...Sicker humans needing stronger medication to treat new strains of bacteria that never existed until the introduction of subsidized corn and grain.



    You are actually saving money buying grass fed whey (even at a high price) when you consider the money we pay for subsidizing crops, the health risks when eating sick animals, not to mention the mutated bacteria making us even more susceptible to infection...There you have it. One problem after another leading to more medical research to prevent an epidemic just because people want cheap meat.



    We need to bulletproof our Farming industry as well...LOL!
    You sound righteous like a vegetarian, lol.
  • I actually really enjoy meat...it just has to come from a pastured animal. That's all.
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  • edited December 2012
    Coo, but it might not be grass fed.



    edit: Actually it is grass fed! Good find! Cheap too.
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