Hair Loss

My hair is starting to thin. I purchased propecia and have been trying it for about 5 days now. I've read about the side effects and I do feel brain fog etc, but don't know if just coincidence maybe I'm just out of it last few days or if direct correlation. Curious if anyone has tried it and if anyone knows of natural ways to help hairless or am I just screwed? Thanks
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  • Propecia can take up to three months to produce a noticeable effect. If you are legitimately experiencing brain fog, there are many things you can do to improve brain function as mentioned on this site. I will tell you that based on my experience, it does help but propecia alone will not solve your hair loss problem. You need to alter your diet in such a way that is beneficial in preventing hair loss and promoting hair growth. You can use natural herbal remedies like saw palmetto and nettle root which can achieve a similar effect to propecia but perhaps on a lesser scale. I do recall reading a recent study that suggested Keenum black tea inhibits DHT by a comparable percentage too. It is widely accepted that increased DHT levels play a role in hair loss, but I think there is a growing theory that high estrogen levels play a factor too.



    I did address my experience with hair loss in a different thread on this forum:

    http://forum.bulletp...__fromsearch__1
  • I have no experience with propecia, but my mom was prescribed Latisse for her eyelashes during her bout with cancer. The product worked very well and she asked her doctor if this was safe to use on the scalp. He said the active ingredient (Bimatoprost) is in clinical trials right now for a hair loss treatment, but a lot of men and women have bought Latisse to dab on their hairline. The downside is that at the moment its pretty expensive ( $100 for a month supply) but there are some generic versions of this product for way less. Just thought it would be a good product for you to lookout for, good luck!
  • Bald men are hot. Let it go and own it. Don't try to Donald Trump it using the sides and the back or try to cover it up, get your clippers out and take it off. When my husband (then boyfriend) first started losing his hair, I was sad for him because his hair seemed like such a giant part of his person. But it wasn't a part of his identity, and I love his shaven head.
  • MaverickAzzMaverickAzz Powerful
    Bruce Willis vs The Edge (U2 guitarist). One of them is one of the most well known actors of our time, the other is a member of one of the most well known bands of our time.

    Both of them are bald as. One of them rocks it, the other is never seen in public without a hat. Go with ciaobella, mate. SHAVE IT AND THEN OWN IT!!

    No sorcery, just science. 

  • StevoStevo Upgrade in Progress
    My policy is all or nothing! Since nature decided that I should only have some hair, not all, I've decided then it must be NONE. Go shave! I go clean shaven twice a week!
  • Research in this area has largely established that hair loss has multiple factors. A singular treatment that addresses only one factor (such as Propecia) probably doesn't make much sense.



    Address the problem from as many angles as possible. A number of available compounds counter hair loss in some way.



    A number of treatment advances have emerged from bio-tech for which their developers have obtained patents. Patent information resides in the public domain. A savvy bio-hacker can get access to patented compounds years ahead of their commercial release. In many cases patents get granted for combinations of compounds that one can readily obtain.



    Some of these will have a scientifically well founded explanations of their action.



    Stopping androgen related hair loss and regrowth no longer requires Propecia and/or Rogaine.



    Hair loss in younger men occurs primarily as a function of male hormones (androgens). The role of androgens goes beyond DHT. Other hormonal variables include: androstendione, prolactin and estrogen metabolites that when not addressed could account for the temporary and partial effectiveness of Propecia or Avodart and their side effects when used as a sole treatment.



    All very interesting but inflammation may have well have a larger role than anything else in this.



    Besides a BP diet and lifestyle some things to look at include:
    • Emu oil
    • Resveratrol
    • Curcumin
    • Theaflavin
    • L-Taurine
    • Green tea
    • Zinc
    • Grape seed extract
    • Tocotrienols
    • Saw palmeto


    High estrogen levels and low free testosterone can also affect this adversely.
  • StevoStevo Upgrade in Progress
    What about calcium-d-glucarate? This can help to clean out excess estrogen.
  • @thatstevenbaker -- Thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't seen Dave's post on his site about it. Great idea.
  • RodRod The Rodfather
    I start looking like a thug with my head shaved, I need HAIR, though I believe that my high levels of ferritin did speed up what ever was going on by like 80% for the past 2 years! FML

    Everything I learned about "biohacking" has been baby steps to "circadian biology", that's where the real biohacking comes in. You can buy a bunch of cool shit to "hack" but if you don't have context, you're not winning. Paleo is just a brand now and too many have opinions, it's on you to read and reread the material to not only find truth but to connect the dots. Much love to everyone who has helped me on my journey for restoring my health, please keep in touch. Feel free to message me with health questions [email protected] 

  • What about calcium-d-glucarate? This can help to clean out excess estrogen.


    I second that! And also, something as simple as taking enough calcium either through meals or supplements should not be underestimated.

  • calcium-d-glucarate ? its a really good idea..i have also face the hair loss problem..thanks


  • Try using olive oil on your hair.  You need to rub on the scalp.  Also changing your diet will help, increase fruits and vegetable consumption.  When I did that my hair started growing back.


  • Honestly man, I am 19 and am already losing my hair. You can fight it and postone it all you want, but its inevitable, the hair will fall out. Thats years of stress and low self esteem caused by trying to postone a natural genetic issue. Just become comfortable that you are losing your hair and understand that your still a stud no matter what. Don't worry about how women see you, because I am sure you are an amazing individual, and if a woman looks past that because your hair is thinning a bit, she isnt worth it, and their are plenty of good women out their that wont mind at all :)


    Also, not worrying about it is actually one of the healthiest things you can do to prevent hair loss, since hair loss is corelated to stress. I however, am out of luck, I am gentically predispotioned to lose my hair, so why worry about it, right?


     


    That's just my two cents, but im sure their are plenty of great bio-hacks from laser combs, to micro-pinningThymosin Beta 4 into your scalp, to rogain, propecia... and even hair club for men/bosley. Hair club for men/bosley hair systems are not realsitic though. They are EXPENSIVE, because they charge by the hair, it doesnt prevent further hair loss on untransplanted hair, so if you lose hair after you get it you will end up looky goofy, and if you get it and ver decide to shave your hair, your scalp will probably be covered in scars.


    Never Stop Moving: Progress in some aspect of your life everyday, move forward in it, whether it be your job, school, body, mind, or relationships. Constantly better yourself!

  • RodRod The Rodfather


    Honestly man, I am 19 and am already losing my hair. You can fight it and postone it all you want, but its inevitable, the hair will fall out. Thats years of stress and low self esteem caused by trying to postone a natural genetic issue. Just become comfortable that you are losing your hair and understand that your still a stud no matter what. Don't worry about how women see you, because I am sure you are an amazing individual, and if a woman looks past that because your hair is thinning a bit, she isnt worth it, and their are plenty of good women out their that wont mind at all :)


    Also, not worrying about it is actually one of the healthiest things you can do to prevent hair loss, since hair loss is corelated to stress. I however, am out of luck, I am gentically predispotioned to lose my hair, so why worry about it, right?


     


    That's just my two cents, but im sure their are plenty of great bio-hacks from laser combs, to micro-pinningThymosin Beta 4 into your scalp, to rogain, propecia... and even hair club for men/bosley. Hair club for men/bosley hair systems are not realsitic though. They are EXPENSIVE, because they charge by the hair, it doesnt prevent further hair loss on untransplanted hair, so if you lose hair after you get it you will end up looky goofy, and if you get it and ver decide to shave your hair, your scalp will probably be covered in scars.




     


     


    You can change your gene expression but the first thing I would do is get your hormones balanced. 

    Everything I learned about "biohacking" has been baby steps to "circadian biology", that's where the real biohacking comes in. You can buy a bunch of cool shit to "hack" but if you don't have context, you're not winning. Paleo is just a brand now and too many have opinions, it's on you to read and reread the material to not only find truth but to connect the dots. Much love to everyone who has helped me on my journey for restoring my health, please keep in touch. Feel free to message me with health questions [email protected] 

  • StevoStevo Upgrade in Progress

    It was mentioned in another thread but worth repeating: check out Danny Roddy's Hair Like a Fox diet. He regrew his hair! Apparently. I plan on getting the ebook but its $47. It will have to wait a little while. The diet and story is similar to Dave's, in that he had a biological problem and through thorough research and self-testing, created a diet that achieved the result he wanted. Dave should bring him on the podcast.


  • There are reports of problems with finasteride. I would use minoxidil instead because it is topical, but needs discipline which I do not have much for this.


     


    You could try ketoconazole shampoo 2%, some people say it helps. Blocks androgens.


     


    Also, have a look at http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com



  • It was mentioned in another thread but worth repeating: check out Danny Roddy's Hair Like a Fox diet. He regrew his hair! Apparently. I plan on getting the ebook but its $47. It will have to wait a little while. The diet and story is similar to Dave's, in that he had a biological problem and through thorough research and self-testing, created a diet that achieved the result he wanted. Dave should bring him on the podcast.




    I have his book and lots of it makes great sense, I'm halfway through and will probably need to re-read it to digest all the info.
  • Well, if it works keep us in the loop.  I gotta say I still think that if someone figured that out it would be about the biggest discovery since Viagra.  So I am skeptical.


  • StevoStevo Upgrade in Progress


    Well, if it works keep us in the loop.  I gotta say I still think that if someone figured that out it would be about the biggest discovery since Viagra.  So I am skeptical.




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    I totally understand that, but you could say the same thing about lots of other biohacks. As far as I know its just diet so as we know with BP, diet is different for everyone so maybe it doesn't work for everyone. Or maybe a corporation can't sell it so nobody has really done any marketing on it. Who knows! :-D

  • What Danny Roddy worked out (with a little help from the writing of Ray Peat) is that his hair loss was due to hormonal imbalances. In order to restore his hair he biohacked himself by identifying what the imbalances were through testing and modifying his diet to restore good hormonal and metabolic function.  thatstevenbaker is right it's basically diet but the reason it can't be marketed by the corporate machines is that it's not a one size fits all solution. Everyone's imbalances are going to be a little different. 


  • hair loss and hormones discussed here at around the 30 min mark. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22195338/WBM- Hair loss, Osteoporosis.mp3


  • RoarkRoark
    edited August 2013


    It was mentioned in another thread but worth repeating: check out Danny Roddy's Hair Like a Fox diet. He regrew his hair! Apparently. I plan on getting the ebook but its $47. It will have to wait a little while. The diet and story is similar to Dave's, in that he had a biological problem and through thorough research and self-testing, created a diet that achieved the result he wanted. Dave should bring him on the podcast.




     


    You probably won't be too crazy about what you find there. Roddy's first tip is to have a high carb-to-fat ratio and to stay far away from ketosis. According to Roddy, a low carb BP diet is in large part the CAUSE of hairloss.


     


    Some of the foods he has listed as "pro-hair" include: milk mixed with syrup, orange juice, white sugar, fruit, cheese, coffee with as much sugar as you'd like...so don't plan to be as bulletproof or light on your feet. It did always strike me as interesting that people in the morbidly obese diabetic crowd always have a ton of hair on their head...


     


    Side note: fascinated that the 'bio-hacking' community is eager to take on just about every body ailment or attribute that exists, but when it comes to hairloss, everyone unites in an attempt to convince people to just accept and own it. Thank god this sentiment didn't make it's way to fat loss, brain fog, or any other now successfully hacked issue.


  • StevoStevo Upgrade in Progress

    That is fascinating! Would someone be able to *cough cough*, I'd like to read the PDF if I could, *cough cough*


     


    ;-)




  • You probably won't be too crazy about what you find there. Roddy's first tip is to have a high carb-to-fat ratio and to stay far away from ketosis. According to Roddy, a low carb BP diet is in large part the CAUSE of hairloss.


     


    Some of the foods he has listed as "pro-hair" include: milk mixed with syrup, orange juice, white sugar, fruit, cheese, coffee with as much sugar as you'd like...so don't plan to be as bulletproof or light on your feet. It did always strike me as interesting that people in the morbidly obese diabetic crowd always have a ton of hair on their head...


     


    Side note: fascinated that the 'bio-hacking' community is eager to take on just about every body ailment or attribute that exists, but when it comes to hairloss, everyone unites in an attempt to convince people to just accept and own it. Thank god this sentiment didn't make it's way to fat loss, brain fog, or any other now successfully hacked issue.




     


    Danny Roddy also wrote a book where he ate pretty much nothing but meat and potatoes to cure his hair loss.  I think he only started going the high sugar route for social reasons.  I recall him even writing about his diet ruining his relationship with his girlfriend, and then not long after he's all over sugar.


     


    Low carb BP being the cause of hairloss is just unfounded.

  • I am willing to look at this seriously and did research it.  I couldn't find one person stating online that Danny Roddy's method worked for them growing their hair back, well maybe one person saying that they thought it was getting thicker.  But what it would take is a decent amount of people giving testimonies like what BP has: this changed my life, holy shit look at my hair!  There is zilch on the net like it for Danny Roddy.  If you have a url for it I'd be shocked cause I spent over an hour looking and I am no slouch at finding things online.  If you can I would be willing to wreak my 6pack to try it out.  Though honestly I would want both ideally.


  • edited August 2013
    I've had problems with hairloss due to psoriasis.
  • edited August 2013


    I am willing to look at this seriously and did research it.  I couldn't find one person stating online that Danny Roddy's method worked for them growing their hair back, well maybe one person saying that they thought it was getting thicker.  But what it would take is a decent amount of people giving testimonies like what BP has: this changed my life, holy shit look at my hair!  There is zilch on the net like it for Danny Roddy.  If you have a url for it I'd be shocked cause I spent over an hour looking and I am no slouch at finding things online.  If you can I would be willing to wreak my 6pack to try it out.  Though honestly I would want both ideally.




     


     


     


    I have to stick up for Danny Roddy and Ray Peat.


     


    I read the Hair Like a Fox book and have been experimenting with the diet for the past three weeks. I am very senstive to how my hair (and skin) are doing and I can honestly say I have had great results so far, even this early into the diet. Improvement in hair texture, and my bangs are stronger and healthier and beginning to slowly grow out more. I know I have the so called genetic pre-disposition to male pattern baldness and began losing my hair at age 20 or so and thus have been over the last few years. I didn't eat very healthy or wisely in my teen years and further damaged my hair by frying my bangs five years ago - they have never been the same since. Over the years I have had some level of success with my own experimenting, at least enough to slow down hair loss immensely, albeit inconsistently. So far I can honestly say this diet is really helping and my hair has not looked this good in a long time, I am especially surprised about my bangs showing some improvement and regenerative potential. I hope this trend continues.


     


    The belief that hair loss is rooted in these particular hormones makes sense to me, and aftering reading some articles by Ray Peat, I am further convinced that this theory is more legit than anything else I've ever read. It isn't based on pharmaceutical motives, or simply, the anecdotal evidence of others.    


  • (hi guys, just this seems to be more active than the other post, I wil repeat it here):

     


    There are other posts that describe this. (this one is gold, see the comments from Aghast: http://forum.bulletp...youthful-looks/ )


    The key appears to be to mantain a high ratio of progesterone over estrogen and a controlled level of DHT.


    How much is this ratio and how to achieve it Im not yet sure.


    Also good levels of zinc and copper seems to be good.


     


    Steven,


     


    Just read the Hair Like a Fox. I was willing to buy it a long time ago. The recommendations goes pretty against the bulletproof diet, so Im avoiding then and attaining to the principles that I said above.


    Not sure yet how to do it.


     


    Is it supplementing with copper and zinc and avoiding estrogen feed meat enough?


    What more reduces estrogen while increases progesterone?


     


    Anyone have more ideas on this?


     


    Regards!


     


    Elias Y

  • edited August 2013

    HLAF suggests that DHT is not the enemy. This is logical because DHT is essential to male health and development. Instead suggesting that DHT is likely not causative of hair loss but a symptom a bigger problem. If DHT does play a critical role, perhaps it is that DHT is being instructed to terminate or shrink hair follicles (etc.) under certain problematic hormonal circumstances? So I would imagine that once you have the hormonal environment suitable for hair to prosper, DHT won't be problematic; this is assuming that DHT is a factor in hair loss but who knows if it actually is.


    And anyways, HLAF list several 'anti-hair' hormones that should be repressed - not just estrogen - and 'pro-hair' hormones that you can benefit from increasing to appropriate levels. And this is exactly what the diet is designed to do.


     


    I have noticed too that this diet is great for libido, unlike the anti-DHT protocol which is just the opposite. 


  • StevoStevo Upgrade in Progress

    HLAF is full of references which is great to see. Lots of science and research behind his claims. I would have liked to see photos of his progress, or at least some test subjects. Its kind of just a bunch of science, a list of foods and that's it. He's ignored writing about actually proving his protocol works with case studies or good testimonials/photos.


     


    In saying that, as an experimenter I will give it a try! He says you can see progress in as little as a week!


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