So Does Collagen Protein Build Muscle.. Or No?

I know Dave mentions here and there and within the product description on the site that his collagen builds muscle, but i've recently watched a Steve Fowkes SVHI presentation where he indicates that collagen protein is non-ideal and quite poor for building muscle... so regardless, I'll continue consuming collagen by the truck load but was just curious as to why we're hearing two different things on the subject?


Comments

  • yeah i've wondered the same thing. kiefer bashes collagen protein in carb backloading, says its useless for building muscle i think. it's probably still a really important thing for all the parts of your body that require the kind of amino acids in collagen, so more for skin/cartilage/maybe organs? 




  • yeah i've wondered the same thing. kiefer bashes collagen protein in carb backloading, says its useless for building muscle i think. it's probably still a really important thing for all the parts of your body that require the kind of amino acids in collagen, so more for skin/cartilage/maybe organs? 




     


    Yeah I mean fundamentally it kind of makes sense that it wouldn't.... but I'm no expert on the subject.


     


    I know Dave isn't Dogma but it'd be nice to see where the interpretation went wrong either on his or Fowkes' end

  • Andy BoskampAndy Boskamp Andy Boskamp

    The main constituent of collagen is the amino acid glycine, approximately 25% by weight.


     


    Glycine is a "non-essential" amino acid, and it seems to be not so great at stimulating muscle protein synthesis directly, as opposed to BCAAs (especially leucine).


     


    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/275/1/E73.short


     


    However, glycine is *very* important to overall health. It is anti-inflammatory, improves metabolic efficiency, and glycemic control.


     


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24658997


     


    It also improves athletic performance, perhaps by increasing hGH.


     


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11128858


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/622050


     


    As you already seem to understand, the answer to questions regarding protein consumption is, it depends (i.e. what are you trying to optimize for?).


    “The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”

     

    - Marcus Aurelius

  • dazdaz today is a good day ✭✭✭
    edited March 2015

    on a similar note, i wonder if collagen would work as the morning protein in Jack Kruse's leptin reset thingy.


    disclosure: i know nothing about the Jack Kruse leptin reset thing...or leptin, as you can probably tell :)


    fake it till you make it

  • pd85pd85
    edited March 2015

    we want da leucine's to build da muscles not da glycines




  • we want da leucine's to build da muscles not da glycines




     


    Leucine alone will not be enough to build muscle, only potentiate muscle protein synthesis via mTOR activation.

    You still want whole protein sources to fuel growth.

  • So I should mix collagen and BCAA's post workout and then I'm all set?




  • I know Dave mentions here and there and within the product description on the site that his collagen builds muscle, but i've recently watched a Steve Fowkes SVHI presentation where he indicates that collagen protein is non-ideal and quite poor for building muscle... so regardless, I'll continue consuming collagen by the truck load but was just curious as to why we're hearing two different things on the subject?




     


    collagen is found in like skin and nails. It would probably be beneficial for skin but I don't it will help with muscle recovery



  • So I should mix collagen and BCAA's post workout and then I'm all set?




     


    well if you're dead set on using collagen, then this mixture would make logical sense. 

Sign In or Register to comment.