Give Me Everything You Know About Cancer Testing And Hgh

Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭

Does anyone know the best way to test for cancer (just in case)? Would prefer to not have an MRI/CT scan, but if I must, which is safer? What is the process by which doctors start testing for that and their reason for escalating labs? Don't want to read the pitiful explanations on WebMD, because that's all that comes up lol. I trust this forum more than anything. You guys are SMART.


 


I just heard that my new favorite supplement, colostrum, raises HGH and therefore can cause cancer to grow (if you have it present in your system already). Kind of makes me want to be sure I don't have any hidden brain tumors. I get a little bit of pain in my temporal lobe around powerful magnets/EMFs, and when I consume excess metals like copper. 


 


Oh yeah, and if HGH feeds cancer, does that only mean if it's supplemented or found naturally in excess from what you consume (like colostrum) or even if your body hormonally decides to produce more because you're lifting weights (which I do every other day)?


 


Thanks in advance!


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  • For what it's worth, here's what surthrival says about igf1 on their antler velvet page (they also sell colostrum):

    "Immortal Velvet is not isolated IGF-1. It is a natural concentrated portion of the proteins that contain the growth factors found in velvet antler. The risks related to IGF-1 are largely attributed to the body having a disproportionate amount of available IGF-1. IMMORTAL VELVET provides a matrix of growth factors (including IGF-1), as they are found in nature, in their proper balance. This natural balance helps keep IGF-1, as an isolate, in its safe ratio."


    If that is the case I'd think it would be similar for colostrum.
  • John BrissonJohn Brisson The Legend Formerly Known as Ron Swanson ✭✭✭
    edited March 2015


    Does anyone know the best way to test for cancer (just in case)? Would prefer to not have an MRI/CT scan, but if I must, which is safer? What is the process by which doctors start testing for that and their reason for escalating labs? Don't want to read the pitiful explanations on WebMD, because that's all that comes up lol. I trust this forum more than anything. You guys are SMART.


     


    I just heard that my new favorite supplement, colostrum, raises HGH and therefore can cause cancer to grow (if you have it present in your system already). Kind of makes me want to be sure I don't have any hidden brain tumors. I get a little bit of pain in my temporal lobe around powerful magnets/EMFs, and when I consume excess metals like copper. 


     


    Oh yeah, and if HGH feeds cancer, does that only mean if it's supplemented or found naturally in excess from what you consume (like colostrum) or even if your body hormonally decides to produce more because you're lifting weights (which I do every other day)?


     


    Thanks in advance!




     


    I think you are going a little bit down the rabbit hole again Rob. If it is anything to worry about it would be heavy metal collection in the brain that is causing EMF issues. I would believe that more than cancer.


     


    But if you want the honest answer MRI's are safer but still expose the body to EMF forces. At least the radiation is non ionizing compared to a CT scan. Both scans are expensive and most of the contrast solutions expose the body to short term radiation.


     


    Lol, velvet antler.


     


    Also, colostrum is inactivated by stomach acid and for reference: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=hgh+and+colostrum&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C34&as_sdtp=. Where is the increase of HGH studies? More than likely it is the high amounts of lactoferrin in colostrum that does anything.


     


    You want the most healthiest for your stomach. Human breast milk from a woman that eats a clean diet. Remember human babies only drink colostrum for a few weeks, afterwards the human body changes to standard milk production because babies stomach acid is up regulated therefore colostrum is useless. The same in cattle. Boom science!


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  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    I think you are going a little bit down the rabbit hole again Rob. If it is anything to worry about it would be heavy metal collection in the brain that is causing EMF issues. I would believe that more than cancer.


     


    But if you want the honest answer MRI's are safer but still expose the body to EMF forces. At least the radiation is non ionizing compared to a CT scan. Both scans are expensive and most of the contrast solutions expose the body to short term radiation.


     


    Lol, velvet antler.


     


    Also, colostrum is inactivated by stomach acid and for reference: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=hgh+and+colostrum&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C34&as_sdtp=. Where is the increase of HGH studies? More than likely it is the high amounts of lactoferrin in colostrum that does anything.


     


    You want the most healthiest for your stomach. Human breast milk from a woman that eats a clean diet. Remember human babies only drink colostrum for a few weeks, afterwards the human body changes to standard milk production because babies stomach acid is up regulated therefore colostrum is useless. The same in cattle. Boom science!




     


    I'm not going down the rabbit hole. Please don't illegitimate my myriad concerns based on previous conversations we've had. Comments like these do not advance the conversation or amplify potential benefits of the topic. I just want to learn and cover all my bases, all the time. This topic might help someone who wants to know the associations they may or may not have heard about. Thanks. Anybody can get cancer. But if I must justify my own concerns, then I think it's definitely worthy of consideration, because I used to sleep on my cell phone (on my right temple), like an idiot. My right temple hurts sometimes.


     


    The rest of the info is much appreciated, though! Thoughtful stuff, as usual.


    I'm sure some of the beneficial enzymes/proteins/probiotics get through to the intestines. I eat fermented vegetables/sauerkraut, and it makes a huge difference in my digestion. Obviously all of the bacteria doesn't get pulverized in the process. Don't you agree? I mean I think it's true to some degree that the acids kill probiotics, but clearly people eat fermented foods/dirt and get some probiotic benefit. Also, enzymes/hormones/proteins in any kind of food you eat are obviously of value. They aren't "deactivated" by stomach acid. Stomach acid breaks them down and makes them more easily absorbed. Boom logic!


    Colostrum is basically a perfect immune system delivered in a beautiful delicious package. Also, it seems to have worked for the leaky gut symptoms thus far.


    Not sure where the info on colostrum's negative effects came from. The guy who related it to me has recovered from thyroid cancer, so I assumed he knew what he was talking about. See drummingaleiro's article on IGF-1. Obviously they felt a need to discuss the concerns of excess HGH (or an effect similar to its excess obtainment) from colostrum.


    Also, this article from Wall Street Journal, which mainly covers the concerns of synthetic HGH supplementation.

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭
    edited March 2015

    http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/bovine-colostrum


     


    Addressing concerns about its cancer-promoting tendencies:


    "Patients with hormone-sensitive cancer and patients who are allergic to dairy products should avoid this product."


     


     


    Addressing your claims that it is useless:


    "Bovine colostrum has been used as a dietary supplement to treat diarrhea, infections, colitis, and to improve athletic performance. In vitro studies suggest that bovine colostrum has anti-inflammatory (16) and chemopreventive (17) properties."


     


    "There is some evidence that bovine colostrum can prevent gastrointestinal damage caused by nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) (7) (19) and is effective in treating distal colitis (8)."


     


    So I guess the article suggests that it prevents cancer in general, which is cool to know, but it is bad if you have hormone-sensitive cancer, due to its estrogenic properties. I don't know what to do with that, because I don't know if I have cancer, let alone if the possible cancer I have is hormone-sensitive.


  • I'm guessing you've seen all the Rhonda Patrick/tim ferris stuff on igf1 vs. potential increase in lifespan?
  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    I'm guessing you've seen all the Rhonda Patrick/tim ferris stuff on igf1 vs. potential increase in lifespan?




    I have not. Is it long? Is it on YouTube?

  • John BrissonJohn Brisson The Legend Formerly Known as Ron Swanson ✭✭✭


    I'm not going down the rabbit hole. Please don't illegitimate my myriad concerns based on previous conversations we've had. Comments like these do not advance the conversation or amplify potential benefits of the topic. I just want to learn and cover all my bases, all the time. This topic might help someone who wants to know the associations they may or may not have heard about. Thanks. Anybody can get cancer. But if I must justify my own concerns, then I think it's definitely worthy of consideration, because I used to sleep on my cell phone (on my right temple), like an idiot. My right temple hurts sometimes.


     


    The rest of the info is much appreciated, though! Thoughtful stuff, as usual.


    I'm sure some of the beneficial enzymes/proteins/probiotics get through to the intestines. I eat fermented vegetables/sauerkraut, and it makes a huge difference in my digestion. Obviously all of the bacteria doesn't get pulverized in the process. Don't you agree? I mean I think it's true to some degree that the acids kill probiotics, but clearly people eat fermented foods/dirt and get some probiotic benefit. Also, enzymes/hormones/proteins in any kind of food you eat are obviously of value. They aren't "deactivated" by stomach acid. Stomach acid breaks them down and makes them more easily absorbed. Boom logic!


    Colostrum is basically a perfect immune system delivered in a beautiful delicious package. Also, it seems to have worked for the leaky gut symptoms thus far.


    Not sure where the info on colostrum's negative effects came from. The guy who related it to me has recovered from thyroid cancer, so I assumed he knew what he was talking about. See drummingaleiro's article on IGF-1. Obviously they felt a need to discuss the concerns of excess HGH (or an effect similar to its excess obtainment) from colostrum.


    Also, this article from Wall Street Journal, which mainly covers the concerns of synthetic HGH supplementation.




     


    I meant the first part because like you sometime I understand that as hypochondriacs we jump to the worst thing possible. Most of the time it is not the worst thing possible. With the Internet and WebMD at our fingertips everything is cancer and that is just as worse.


     


    You do know that probiotics and bacteria that we ingest are mainly lost to stomach acid. That is why HSO's are so popular and acid resistant capsules. Also, stomach acid does denature certain peptides, amino acids, enzymes, and proteins. We all know oral glutathione does nothing and is not absorbed through the digestive system. Boom even more science.


     


    Also, IGF could come from the lactoferrin content: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ije/aa/282806/.

    My book Fix Your Gut, is offered on Amazon for $9.99.

     

    I also offer coaching:  http://fixyourgut.com/health-coaching-information/

     

    Please join or like the Fix your Gut Facebook. Also please add me on twitter @FixYourGutJB.

     

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  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭
    edited March 2015


    I meant the first part because like you sometime I understand that as hypochondriacs we jump to the worst thing possible. Most of the time it is not the worst thing possible. With the Internet and WebMD at our fingertips everything is cancer and that is just as worse.


     


    You do know that probiotics and bacteria that we ingest are mainly lost to stomach acid. That is why HSO's are so popular and acid resistant capsules. Also, stomach acid does denature certain peptides, amino acids, enzymes, and proteins. We all know oral glutathione does nothing and is not absorbed through the digestive system. Boom even more science.


     


    Also, IGF could come from the lactoferrin content: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ije/aa/282806/.




    That's fine, but we can assume that we're all taking that into account when we ask a question about our health. A nicer way to put it might be, "Don't worry, you probably don't have cancer." Sorry to prescribe responses, but I really think it would help.


     


    Yes I know probiotics are mostly lost to stomach acid, yet people who eat fermented vegetables get manifold positive effects from their ingestion. Mercola even claims they do a better job repopulating the gut than commercial probiotics with all the acid-resistant caps and what not. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to waste. Dave has also had plenty of guests on say the same, and I've read plenty of articles from specialists extremely knowledgeable in the area of gut repopulation say that they're better than the capsules. I personally like to use both, because I get good and specific positive effects from both practices.


     


    So I'm trying to dispel this boom science thing you're doing, because observing what works in practice is a lot more compelling to me than science. Science, especially if not studied in vivo (which when it involves the gut is very difficult), will not elucidate what's actually happening most the time. I'm much more interested in people's personal experiences, and most especially what has been learned by a doctor/nutritionist/naturopath/osteopath with a practice. They know more about what works than anyone else, and supplementally, they use the labs/existing research to explain why it might work and to adjust accordingly if it doesn't. This is a more logical approach to nutrition. Science is kind of unreliable, because variables change far too easily. And don't accuse me of not understanding the scientific method. I do. I have plenty of college-level courses under my belt. Mainstream science just so happens to have failed.


     


    In any case, the conclusion that probiotic foods, including raw dairy and fermented veggies, don't actually have a probiotic effect (sorry forgot to complete this sentence), has not panned out and does not hold water from all I've read and experienced personally. Most people experience benefit from these practices.


  • John BrissonJohn Brisson The Legend Formerly Known as Ron Swanson ✭✭✭


    That's fine, but we can assume that we're all taking that into account when we ask a question about our health. A nicer way to put it might be, "Don't worry, you probably don't have cancer." Sorry to prescribe responses, but I really think it would help.


     


    Yes I know probiotics are mostly lost to stomach acid, yet people who eat fermented vegetables get manifold positive effects from their ingestion. Mercola even claims they do a better job repopulating the gut than commercial probiotics with all the acid-resistant caps and what not. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to waste. Dave has also had plenty of guests on say the same, and I've read plenty of articles from specialists extremely knowledgeable in the area of gut repopulation say that they're better than the capsules. I personally like to use both, because I get good and specific positive effects from both practices.


     


    So I'm trying to dispel this boom science thing you're doing, because observing what works in practice is a lot more compelling to me than science. Science, especially if not studied in vivo (which when it involves the gut is very difficult), will not elucidate what's actually happening most the time. I'm much more interested in people's personal experiences, and most especially what has been learned by a doctor/nutritionist/naturopath/osteopath with a practice. They know more about what works than anyone else, and supplementally, they use the labs/existing research to explain why it might work and to adjust accordingly if it doesn't. This is a more logical approach to nutrition. Science is kind of unreliable, because variables change far too easily. And don't accuse me of not understanding the scientific method. I do. I have plenty of college-level courses under my belt. Mainstream science just so happens to have failed.


     


    In any case, the conclusion that probiotic foods, including raw dairy and fermented veggies, has not panned out and does not hold water from all I've read and experienced personally. Most people experience benefit from these practices.




     


    I have no issue with fermented foods as long as one has a properly working MMC. There is some caution though about the unknown status of not knowing what probiotic strains are used in commercial products or kefir. It is best to make it yourself if possible.


     


    I am alerting you to the possibility that lactoferrin is the cause of the colostrum helping you out so much Rob since you are getting a pretty high dose of it. If I am right then it would be cheaper to just take it. Mainstream science hasn't failed completely, a lot of people are just bought out on both sides (mainstream and non conventional.) I never said that you do not understand the scientific method.


     


    Most people have experienced benefit from both raw dairy and fermented veggies. But no one ever tells of the issues associated with them either and that should concern you just as much. Raw dairy is a high source of MAP and would exacerbate most people with genetic defects to be susceptible to the bacterium. Ingesting fermentable food is not a good idea with those with MMC issues.

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  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    I have no issue with fermented foods as long as one has a properly working MMC. There is some caution though about the unknown status of not knowing what probiotic strains are used in commercial products or kefir. It is best to make it yourself if possible.


     


    I am alerting you to the possibility that lactoferrin is the cause of the colostrum helping you out so much Rob since you are getting a pretty high dose of it. If I am right then it would be cheaper to just take it. Mainstream science hasn't failed completely, a lot of people are just bought out on both sides (mainstream and non conventional.) I never said that you do not understand the scientific method.


     


    Most people have experienced benefit from both raw dairy and fermented veggies. But no one ever tells of the issues associated with them either and that should concern you just as much. Raw dairy is a high source of MAP and would exacerbate most people with genetic defects to be susceptible to the bacterium. Ingesting fermentable food is not a good idea with those with MMC issues.




    I didn't know what an MMC was, so I googled it. I must say, I do not have a working copy of Microsoft Management Console... Should I be concerned about continuing to consume raw dairy/fermented veggies?

  • John BrissonJohn Brisson The Legend Formerly Known as Ron Swanson ✭✭✭

    My book Fix Your Gut, is offered on Amazon for $9.99.

     

    I also offer coaching:  http://fixyourgut.com/health-coaching-information/

     

    Please join or like the Fix your Gut Facebook. Also please add me on twitter @FixYourGutJB.

     

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  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭



    Nice article. Well-written! Wouldn't you say, though, that any disruption in peristalsis is secondary to an imbalance in gut bacteria (and general mineral/hormonal imbalances throughout the muscle/organ systems of the body), and thus can be assisted by consuming probiotic foods/raw dairy that can help to achieve balance?

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭

    BTW, as someone who has done copy editing for you a couple times, I must point out the stray bracket character in the following sentence: "Bacteria are then able to adhere and propagate in the small intestine, which increases inflammation a]nd intestinal permeability."  :cool:


  • John BrissonJohn Brisson The Legend Formerly Known as Ron Swanson ✭✭✭
    edited March 2015


    Nice article. Well-written! Wouldn't you say, though, that any disruption in peristalsis is secondary to an imbalance in gut bacteria (and general mineral/hormonal imbalances throughout the muscle/organ systems of the body), and thus can be assisted by consuming probiotic foods/raw dairy that can help to achieve balance?




     


    It does happen in some people but trust me as someone who coaches, is apart of the large SIBO Facebook, and from other experts, this does not happen often and will make a lot of people worse. If the MMC is not functioning properly all the ingested bacteria will end back into the small Intestine. Probiotics do not correct the peristalsis very often and can make it worse.


    My book Fix Your Gut, is offered on Amazon for $9.99.

     

    I also offer coaching:  http://fixyourgut.com/health-coaching-information/

     

    Please join or like the Fix your Gut Facebook. Also please add me on twitter @FixYourGutJB.

     

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  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


     


     



    "You want the most healthiest for your stomach. Human breast milk from a woman that eats a clean diet. Remember human babies only drink colostrum for a few weeks, afterwards the human body changes to standard milk production because babies stomach acid is up regulated therefore colostrum is useless. The same in cattle. Boom science!"


     



     


     


    Were you suggesting I go on the black market to get some breast milk? Call up some local lactating prostitutes (as mentioned to exist in the movie Shoot 'Em Up)? What is the best way to go about that?

  • John BrissonJohn Brisson The Legend Formerly Known as Ron Swanson ✭✭✭


     



    "You want the most healthiest for your stomach. Human breast milk from a woman that eats a clean diet. Remember human babies only drink colostrum for a few weeks, afterwards the human body changes to standard milk production because babies stomach acid is up regulated therefore colostrum is useless. The same in cattle. Boom science!"


     



     


     


    Were you suggesting I go on the black market to get some breast milk? Call up some local lactating prostitutes (as mentioned to exist in the movie Shoot 'Em Up)? What is the best way to go about that?


     




     


    Have a baby with your wife.

    My book Fix Your Gut, is offered on Amazon for $9.99.

     

    I also offer coaching:  http://fixyourgut.com/health-coaching-information/

     

    Please join or like the Fix your Gut Facebook. Also please add me on twitter @FixYourGutJB.

     

    http://www.fixyourgut.com

     

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    Have a baby with your wife.




     


    Kinky.

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