Once Again, Scientific Evidence Supports Bulletproof/paleo/high-Fat

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  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    So...where did Obama say he wants to take away people's air conditioners and cars?


     


    My political stance is neither liberal nor fascist, and I provided clarity via the words of the man himself which is the opposite of deception. I didn't assume you hadn't watched it, I saw that your paraphrased quote (whether intentionally or not) was completely incorrect so I provided the actual quote. Advocating for alternative energy for developing countries is not fearmongering, it's a rational approach to a global sustainability issue. Every country should be trying to develop sustainable energy in order to thrive in the future.




     


    I just flatly disagree with your interpretation of the statement. It was a gaff, tipping his hand at what he really feels. The common (meme) interpretation of it is absolutely correct, and unfortunately for you, your contextual spin is not going to fly with the true researchers. 


    'Sustainable' is a buzz word. Try not to buy into it too much, especially when it's coming from Obama, Hillary, or Michael Moore (from whence there will never be a targetted removal of truly harmful substances like petrochemicals (plastics), pesticides, aldehydes, heavy metals, and dozens more from being manufactured and pumped into our failing ecosystem). 

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    Tomorrow, I will move this thread to Gangster Banter.  If you want to locate this thread, please look for it there.




     


    I blame sparefilms for this degeneration. Thanks, though, I agree.

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭
    edited July 2016


    Global population is increasing. Developed countries have a natural downward trend in population due to healthcare and a change in societal focus, while developing and third-world countries have an upward population trend due in part to a high childhood mortality rate and lack of modern healthcare. 


     


    The Georgia Guidestones do not say "reduce" the population. They say:


    1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

     




    Man, you just prove to whom your allegiances lie with every single sycophantic (towards the CFR) post you put up. Let me ask you something: What is the population right now, sparefilms?


  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    MLS have you ever thought to track your calories/activity level and see for yourself as to whats up? 


    I have tracked my food through various phases of my health consciousness and have drawn my own conclusions about calories in calories out and macronutrient ratios. Which I don't really care to discuss.


     


    Why do you have to have such an agenda? I know most forums are good for confirmation bias, and it seems to be what your after, really what gives? You just look silly. Not to say that sparefilms doesn't look as silly if not more silly than you. As far as I can tell your both trolling each other in some really bizarre way...




    Haha, I swear he's trolling me, man. I just refuse to back down. Yes, I realize that puts me in the 'silly' category, sure. But honestly, a large part of me is just amazed that people like him really exist—those completely sold out to the agenda of world government and fake progress. I guess he truly is a "post-human construct." I'm sure his head truly does resemble that guy from the cover of City of Lost Children.


    Ah, but my agenda? I have the best agenda: to alleviate those who struggle with weight of years and years of calorie counting. This is whom my posts target. Sadly, this thread will be relocated to the Gangster Banter section, where people will be less likely to view it. (Somehow, I think this is part of sparefilms' agenda to discredit me.) Yes, telling people they don't have to count calories, as Dave Asprey has done with his wonderful, extremely effective, simple, and for me life-changing diet. I am so sold out to this approach for those who are truly suffering, that I will take any opportunity to share things that reinforce the effectiveness of this one bit of advice in particular. 


    Sadly, Jason Miller also derails my efforts, because he is always trying to convince me that calorie-counting is better for athletic performance and biohacking. He refuses to see that I'm simply advocating avoidance of calorie-counting for chronic dieters. The cycle (and the cycling) of eating and purging through overexercise needs to be stopped. That's why I'm also on a huge bender against chronic cardio. It is a legacy of hurt and pain, especially for people like Dave and myself who were gaining weight on extremely low-calorie and rigorous cardio. Those behaviors also make people so sick! I am a downright activist about this. Do you understand better now after this explanation?




  • Sadly, Jason Miller also derails my efforts, because he is always trying to convince me that calorie-counting is better for athletic performance and biohacking. He refuses to see that I'm simply advocating avoidance of calorie-counting for chronic dieters. The cycle (and the cycling) of eating and purging through overexercise needs to be stopped. That's why I'm also on a huge bender against chronic cardio. It is a legacy of hurt and pain, especially for people like Dave and myself who were gaining weight on extremely low-calorie and rigorous cardio. Those behaviors also make people so sick! I am a downright activist about this. Do you understand better now after this explanation?




    You should have said so, then. Avoiding calorie-counting is totally reasonable; magically assimilating body mass from no food is not so reasonable, and the burden of some serious evidence is on you.


    It's also a matter of low-calorie = unhealthy, weight-loss or not. Again, that's different from the (in)validity of CICO.


    How did you gain weight on a VLC diet that wasn't water weight? Did you actually produce matter from nothing? If so, then there goes CICO right out the window. Otherwise, you consumed something one way or another.


    Answer my original question: If calories aren't going INTO you, and they aren't going OUT of you, where do they go?


    Ahhh, good to be back on topic.

  • I met Alex Jones one evening after a Joe Rogan show in Austin. Talked to him for a few minutes. He had already had a few drinks in him. He was very friendly and not over-the-top at all. It was a nice encounter.
  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    I met Alex Jones one evening after a Joe Rogan show in Austin. Talked to him for a few minutes. He had already had a few drinks in him. He was very friendly and not over-the-top at all. It was a nice encounter.




    Back off topic! Now I'm going to act like a star-struck idiot for a second! That's supercool man! Thanks for sharing. Could you introduce me? (I know, doesn't make sense).

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭
    edited July 2016


    You should have said so, then. Avoiding calorie-counting is totally reasonable; magically assimilating body mass from no food is not so reasonable, and the burden of some serious evidence is on you.


    It's also a matter of low-calorie = unhealthy, weight-loss or not. Again, that's different from the (in)validity of CICO.


    How did you gain weight on a VLC diet that wasn't water weight? Did you actually produce matter from nothing? If so, then there goes CICO right out the window. Otherwise, you consumed something one way or another.


    Answer my original question: If calories aren't going INTO you, and they aren't going OUT of you, where do they go?


    Ahhh, good to be back on topic.




     


    Hmmm, now that I think about it, I wasn't really tracking calories. It just always seemed like an endless struggle to lower calories, but I would always be hungry after meals. And then I was supposed to go and burn it off, but the treadmill would always say like I had burned 200 calories after the recommended 45 minutes. I would say to myself, "that's like a quarter of lunch. OH and I'm supposed to eat 3500 calories (RDA)?" Just a bunch of bull.


    Okay okay, there was this one diet I did (back in like 2009) called the Every Other Day Diet that produced a serious caloric deficit I'm sure. But it was built around this ineffective leptin reset (though they didn't use that term) mechanism of having "cheat" meals every other day (hence the name). I don't think I got over 2000 calories avg even with the cheat meals. So on non-cheat days you would "SNAPP:"


    -Shake (usually a ton of fruit and some whey)


    -Nuts (about 12 almonds/walnuts)


    -Apples (3 or as many as you could eat up to 3)


    -Protein (fist-sized Chicken Breast—gross)


    -Produce (celery and a tbsp of ranch dressing before bed)


     


    Yeah, it was awful. I had no concept of what to eat back then. But I did lose 10 lbs. off the bat, and then within about a week of leveling off (down to about 185), I started gaining back, still strictly adhering to the diet. It was probably all the fructose making me insulin resistant.


    I have also heard accounts of people eating only a pack of M&M's a day and still gaining weight. It's insulin resistance. Just from a random google, here's some poor soul complaining on caloriecount.com. Seems to be happening to a lot of misguided individuals who mean well but just need to start eating moar butter




  • Hmmm, now that I think about it, I wasn't really tracking calories. 


     


    Yeah, it was awful. I had no concept of what to eat back then. 



    I have also heard accounts of  




     


    So, probably at least half of your posts have been about exposing how useless calorie-counting is for manipulating body composition because one time you starved yourself? And because you "heard accounts"? That's like smashing your hand with a hammer then going to the hardware store asking if they have any sharper nails, and trying weird tricks like soaking the board in mct oil, then going on forums claiming that hammers were designed by the illuminati to make people injure themselves. 

  • sparefilmssparefilms Post-human Construct ✭✭✭
    edited July 2016


    As far as I can tell your both trolling each other in some really bizarre way...




    I answered Modern Life Survivalist's question to Skeletor asking for examples of people who lie on the internet for personal gain. It went down this crazy conspiracy road, and now I have to point out the irrationality and lack of critical thinking that is going on by giving accurate quotes (and video clips of the person actually saying it himself) since I don't want to put a biased interpretation over what [insert public figure here] has said. 


     


    At this point I am completely fascinated with learning my political position and my motivations from someone else. Looks like we have a genuine mind-reader! I am not responsible for anything you see in my head, read my mind at your own risk!


     


     




    I just flatly disagree with your interpretation of the statement. It was a gaff, tipping his hand at what he really feels. The common (meme) interpretation of it is absolutely correct, and unfortunately for you, your contextual spin is not going to fly with the true researchers. 




    I choose not to "interpret" Obama's statement. I let it stand on it's own merit, and the only contextual "spin" I provided is a clip of Obama actually saying the words himself. Nothing he said was anywhere close to "I want to take American's air conditioners and cars away." He also only has a few months left as president to take them from us, he better get busy!


     


     




    Man, you just prove to whom your allegiances lie with every single sycophantic (towards the CFR) post you put up. Let me ask you something: What is the population right now, sparefilms?




    When have I posted anything about the Code of Federal Regulations, and why would I have an allegiance to them? 


     


    Global population is at 7,434,473,278 as of 1:23PM. It increases by the second, so follow the link below for a more accurate number:


    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/


     


     


     


    On topic: I think there is some conflation going on with the whole "counting calories" thing. Focusing solely on counting calories is not a great idea. Focusing solely on types of food while ignoring calories may work, but is ignoring a fairly large set of variables. Doing both would be best. Why purposefully ignore useful data? There should be some subtlety in the method. Counting calories may even be detrimental to obsessive personality types who focus on the counting rather than the bigger picture, absolutely. It seems like Jason has a method down that he uses successfully with hundreds (er..thousands? lots) of people. I'm an advocate for systems that work and have hard evidence backing them up far more than anecdotal accounts of people on diet websites, but burying a thread because the information is wrong or anecdotal is a horrible idea. It is much better to keep such a thread (or a thread with a wild pseudo-scientific or conspiratorial idea) visible with corrections, verified by data, for everyone to see. That way people can have accurate information and can clearly see the missteps so they avoid making those mistakes in the future.


  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    Those are the good aspects of calorie counting, you just have to know what you are doing as most people don't, just the fact that you said you tried very low calorie and lots of exercise means exactly that you don't know how to use the information.  If a very tall person like Dave for instance decides to eat 1600 calories he is already eating a very large deficit even before any exercise, add exercise to the mix and you're going to have big problems, he just didn't have the slightest clue what he was doing, more calories is what he needed.  You need to find out roughly what your caloric expenditure is on rest and active days, and find caloric intake that creates the deficit level that works best for you without causing a stress response, or a maintenance level, or a surplus level, depending on what your goals are.  As you can see in the following example every time my deficit gets too small or too large weight ticks upward, the perfect spot is between 400 and 750 deficit from expenditure, it's custom taylored dieting! and dieting all the time is not a good idea, just for short periods.


     


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    Cool. I do agree with you in some aspects, Jason, but I'm trying to cater to the lowest common denominator who has struggled for years, and I simply think the right approach for most people (not all, because some really like math), is to just tell them to eat this, not that. Maybe I'm just trying to help people like myself, and you're better for these brainwashed, methodical types. But I really think your approach is best for performance.

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    So, probably at least half of your posts have been about exposing how useless calorie-counting is for manipulating body composition because one time you starved yourself? And because you "heard accounts"? That's like smashing your hand with a hammer then going to the hardware store asking if they have any sharper nails, and trying weird tricks like soaking the board in mct oil, then going on forums claiming that hammers were designed by the illuminati to make people injure themselves. 




    Come on now, ouch.

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭


    I answered Modern Life Survivalist's question to Skeletor asking for examples of people who lie on the internet for personal gain. It went down this crazy conspiracy road, and now I have to point out the irrationality and lack of critical thinking that is going on by giving accurate quotes (and video clips of the person actually saying it himself) since I don't want to put a biased interpretation over what [insert public figure here] has said. 


     


    At this point I am completely fascinated with learning my political position and my motivations from someone else. Looks like we have a genuine mind-reader! I am not responsible for anything you see in my head, read my mind at your own risk!


     


     


    I choose not to "interpret" Obama's statement. I let it stand on it's own merit, and the only contextual "spin" I provided is a clip of Obama actually saying the words himself. Nothing he said was anywhere close to "I want to take American's air conditioners and cars away." He also only has a few months left as president to take them from us, he better get busy!


     


     


    When have I posted anything about the Code of Federal Regulations, and why would I have an allegiance to them? 


     


    Global population is at 7,434,473,278 as of 1:23PM. It increases by the second, so follow the link below for a more accurate number:


    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/


     


     


     


    On topic: I think there is some conflation going on with the whole "counting calories" thing. Focusing solely on counting calories is not a great idea. Focusing solely on types of food while ignoring calories may work, but is ignoring a fairly large set of variables. Doing both would be best. Why purposefully ignore useful data? There should be some subtlety in the method. Counting calories may even be detrimental to obsessive personality types who focus on the counting rather than the bigger picture, absolutely. It seems like Jason has a method down that he uses successfully with hundreds (er..thousands? lots) of people. I'm an advocate for systems that work and have hard evidence backing them up far more than anecdotal accounts of people on diet websites, but burying a thread because the information is wrong or anecdotal is a horrible idea. It is much better to keep such a thread (or a thread with a wild pseudo-scientific or conspiratorial idea) visible with corrections, verified by data, for everyone to see. That way people can have accurate information and can clearly see the missteps so they avoid making those mistakes in the future.




     


    Council on Foreign Relations, bruh.

  • Modern Life SurvivalistModern Life Survivalist Saturated Fat Truther ✭✭

    The thread started with actual scientific data that came to light recently showing that calorie-counting was not effective. You could also take a gander at the Biggest Loser study to see how cardio paired with calorie-counting speaks for itself. So when you say I'm just going on personal experience, you're lying through your teeth. Again, this thread was based on a study that recently was published. Please review for yourself. Thought it might provide you with some info that matched my opinions. I won't address him directly this time because of his dismissive and frankly rude last comment, but in response to the hammer smashing allegory: When Bull of Heaven politely requested I provide the reason behind my "agenda," I was just explaining that I had personally been hurt by and observed a ton of people who'd also had poor success with cardio/calorie-counting. Why is that a bad motive? That's a great motive!


     


    Observation is the most important part of science. You notice connections through casual observation. WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS OR NOT CARE ABOUT IT? WHY CAN'T I THINK?


    "I am not allowed to think." -John Linnel, They Might Be Giants 


  • in·flex·i·ble


    inˈfleksəb(ə)l/


    adjective

     



    1. 1.



      unwilling to change or compromise.

      "once she had made up her mind, she was inflexible"






     


     


    There are two ways to approach life (and nutrition):


     


    1) An inflexible mindset based on a belief that your way is the best and only way.


     


    2) A flexible mindset which allows a person to better explore as many options as possible.


     


    Choose one. 


     


     


    With that out of the way, what is the cost for any person anywhere in the world to track calories in/calories out? Nothing.


     


    How inconvenient is it to track for a week? As compared to what, getting shot at in a foreign land, sleeping on the street, not owning shoes, stuck in jail for a crime you didn't commit?


     


    What can be learned by tracking CICO for a week? A lot more than never tracking CICO.


     


    How often do you have to track CICO to learn more about yourself? Once in your life. Or once a year. Or once a month.


     


    What's stopping a person from tracking CICO?


     


     


    Tracking CICO for a week doesn't make you stupider, it doesn't make you a traitor, it doesn't change whether you like hats or not. It's free, easy, informative and can be used to further your progress in life... 


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