Light/lasers To Hack Memory?

Hi all,


 


I am interested in the use of LED/ lasers on helping to improve memory. I have heard Dave talk several times about how he has shined a light at parts of his brain, but haven't found any specifics on what he uses to do this, how to do this safely, or if it can be used to help with memory. I have found a lot of things on injury healing (also interested in), but not much on memory.


 


Has anyone had any success in this area? I'm currently relistening to all the episodes about light, both from BP and other alternative health podcasts, and looking for articles but am having some trouble.


 


Thanks!


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  • DManDMan Master of Arts ✭✭✭

    Haven't tried really realized something on with my memory in regards to all the LED.


     


    There was a huge discussion about IR light and memory and I had some contact to one of the leading clinical doctors from Harvard for healing brain injury with IR light. So basically you need some really powerful infrared light device and shine it on your head. When I asked home for how long and how often he said I should try that for myself.


     


    Then there are these other doctors who use red light and and some specific wavelengths for intranasal light treatment. I have that too but besides the classic upping or downing effects depending on time of day and such I have not seen an increase in memory from it. Maybe I did not pay attention to that... Also my MS lesions did not magically disappear from any of that.


     


    To me it feels really great tho and I use the device every morning and I put it anywhere I want. I even have an LED array but I don't use it anymore since I have that incandescent and more poweful device. Helped me a lot from recovering from my kidney stone surgery...


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  • lostfalcolostfalco
    edited July 2016


    Hi all,


     


    I am interested in the use of LED/ lasers on helping to improve memory. I have heard Dave talk several times about how he has shined a light at parts of his brain, but haven't found any specifics on what he uses to do this, how to do this safely, or if it can be used to help with memory. I have found a lot of things on injury healing (also interested in), but not much on memory.


     


    Has anyone had any success in this area? I'm currently relistening to all the episodes about light, both from BP and other alternative health podcasts, and looking for articles but am having some trouble.


     


    Thanks!




     


    Hey BPMedStudent, I've experimented with this pretty extensively over the past 3 or 4 years. 


     


    I've written about it here. http://www.lostfalco.com/low-level-laser-therapy/


     


    I've collected all of the scientific studies on transcranial low level laser therapy here. http://www.lostfalco.com/low-level-laser-therapy-wavelengths-for-brain-enhancement/


     


    Hope it helps you!


    Check out my new site on Revolutionary Cognitive Enhancement! http://www.lostfalco.com/

     

     

  • Hey lostfalco, your name has come up several times during my research on this topic so it is an honor and privilege to have you join us :P


     


    It looks like I have some reading to do on my day off tomorrow. I can't believe that with all the Googling i've done I haven't come across the pages that you linked to!


  • Thanks, man!


     


    I set up my website fairly recently and Google sometimes takes a little while to catch up. I should be showing up in searches soon. =)


     


    I'd definitely recommend starting with the affordable 850nm LED devices and testing those out to see how LLLT works for you. Dave actually purchased them and mentioned them on his podcast after he and I talked a few years ago. 


     


    I think it was the Steve Fowkes podcast if I remember correctly. 


     


    You can try the 96LED for around $25 and the 48LED is around $10. I've linked them here. http://www.lostfalco.com/devices/


     


    That's a pretty good place to start before testing out more expensive options.  

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  • I checked out those lights on Amazon, I saw that the 48 LED one was 850 nm but couldn't find the wavelength for the 96 LED one. I heard on the Selfhacked podcast with Dr. Hamblin that 810nm is the best wavelength,  have you found any options at this wavelength that are cheaper than the vetrolaser? Or is the difference between 810 and 850 negligible?




  • I checked out those lights on Amazon, I saw that the 48 LED one was 850 nm but couldn't find the wavelength for the 96 LED one. I heard on the Selfhacked podcast with Dr. Hamblin that 810nm is the best wavelength,  have you found any options at this wavelength that are cheaper than the vetrolaser? Or is the difference between 810 and 850 negligible?




     


    Yeah, Hamblin is the man. The studies with 810nm are the reason I started with the Vetro. 


     


    Tbh, the difference is negligible. In fact, if I had to choose I would actually go with the LEDs over the Vetro.


     


    The LEDs make it easier to laser your whole brain. 


     


    Here's the interview BPMedStudent is talking about with my friend Joe and Dr. Hamblin if anyone wants to check it out. It's excellent. 


     


    Check out my new site on Revolutionary Cognitive Enhancement! http://www.lostfalco.com/

     

     

  • I daisy chained six of them together!  Single power source.




  • I daisy chained six of them together!  Single power source.




     


    Damn. Are you serious? What of lights are you using? LEDs? Laser diodes?

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  • WalterWalter ✭✭✭


    Haven't tried really realized something on with my memory in regards to all the LED.


     


    There was a huge discussion about IR light and memory and I had some contact to one of the leading clinical doctors from Harvard for healing brain injury with IR light. So basically you need some really powerful infrared light device and shine it on your head. When I asked home for how long and how often he said I should try that for myself.


     


    Then there are these other doctors who use red light and and some specific wavelengths for intranasal light treatment. I have that too but besides the classic upping or downing effects depending on time of day and such I have not seen an increase in memory from it. Maybe I did not pay attention to that... Also my MS lesions did not magically disappear from any of that.


     


    To me it feels really great tho and I use the device every morning and I put it anywhere I want. I even have an LED array but I don't use it anymore since I have that incandescent and more poweful device. Helped me a lot from recovering from my kidney stone surgery...




     


    I do pretty much the same with my intranasal IR device. Plus I use a normal IR bulb and Philips Infracare in the morning.


  • I completely disassembled the 60 LED array you gave me, got the part number from the PCB, and ordered 5 more of them. They all plug into each other, so a with little electric tape a two rubber bands, I can treat the entire cranium in one go.


     




    Damn. Are you serious? What of lights are you using? LEDs? Laser diodes?





  • I completely disassembled the 60 LED array you gave me, got the part number from the PCB, and ordered 5 more of them. They all plug into each other, so a with little electric tape a two rubber bands, I can treat the entire cranium in one go.




     


    Nice. That's so much more efficient than sitting around lasering for hours.   

    Check out my new site on Revolutionary Cognitive Enhancement! http://www.lostfalco.com/

     

     

  • DManDMan Master of Arts ✭✭✭

    I talked to Hamblin... I asked him how to repair my brain and he told me about getting some device with a lot of wattage and stuff. So I got me that incandescent light from the electronics store. I got that out of the baby corner. Not expensive. But not that large either. Still love that power behind it. :)


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  • I talked to Hamblin... I asked him how to repair my brain and he told me about getting some device with a lot of wattage and stuff. So I got me that incandescent light from the electronics store. I got that out of the baby corner. Not expensive. But not that large either. Still love that power behind it. :)




     


    Very cool. Do you have a link to the device he recommended?

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  • I talked to Hamblin... I asked him how to repair my brain and he told me about getting some device with a lot of wattage and stuff. So I got me that incandescent light from the electronics store. I got that out of the baby corner. Not expensive. But not that large either. Still love that power behind it. :)




     


    I'd be interested in that link too, I read the heelspurs page about LED therapy http://heelspurs.com/led.html and it seemed like in the section about penetrating skin that youd need a much more powerful unit than the 96 or 48 LED ones. I found one on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00M3O5ERK/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 and did the math (which I don't completely trust since I haven't done a physics equation in 6 years) and it seems to have enough power to penetrate the skin about an inch deep. So that might be good enough for the tendonitis I also can't seem to get rid of, but too powerful for the head.


     


    Or is there such thing? After reading the heelspurs article it seems like to have any effect I'd have to use the 96 or 48 LED ones for over half an hour in one spot on my head for any effect, and that would be if I was bald.

  • lostfalcolostfalco
    edited July 2016


    I'd be interested in that link too, I read the heelspurs page about LED therapy http://heelspurs.com/led.html and it seemed like in the section about penetrating skin that youd need a much more powerful unit than the 96 or 48 LED ones. I found one on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00M3O5ERK/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 and did the math (which I don't completely trust since I haven't done a physics equation in 6 years) and it seems to have enough power to penetrate the skin about an inch deep. So that might be good enough for the tendonitis I also can't seem to get rid of, but too powerful for the head.


     


    Or is there such thing? After reading the heelspurs article it seems like to have any effect I'd have to use the 96 or 48 LED ones for over half an hour in one spot on my head for any effect, and that would be if I was bald.




     


    Scott Roberts from heelspurs is a friend of mine. He and I have had many discussions about LLLT over the years. He's actually had pretty good results with the 96 LEDs. He even has a picture of them at the top of his page.  http://heelspurs.com/led.html


     


    I've written about how to imitate the dosing in the scientific studies here. http://www.lostfalco.com/transcranial-low-level-laser-therapy-dosing/


     


    You actually don't need to be bald you just need to push the LEDs past your hair and into your skin. I actually press down pretty hard when I laser. 


     


    Here are the quantified results of another friend of mine who performed an excellent self-experiment with the LEDs which were analyzed by gwern. 


    https://www.gwern.net/LLLT


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