Ketone Observation



  • Hey Leon,

    Body Temp is an accurate indication of thyroid function- under 98.2 is telling. There's a laundry list of problems associated with low thyroid- depression, weight gain (or inability to lose), hair loss being just a few.

    Wilson Temperature therapy gives people their lives back- actually resets the thyroid. It's the protocol taught in all the naturapathic schools now- in spite of the fact that Dennis Wilson, MD had his licensed pulled over it. Big pHARMa doesn't want to lose a buck from their very lucrative synthroid trade. That's a lifetime drug if someone doesn't get hip to Temp therapy.

    So I knew something wasn't working when I'm eating a bunch of MCT's and coconut oil that support the thyroid and my temp was still low.

    We'll have to see- I gained 6 lbs on the refeed. Something wrong with that picture. Not panicking yet. Gotta make some adjustments. IF did nothing for my weight when I tried that. Pass me a razor blade!

    Open to suggestions!

    All the best to you comrades.
  • Hunger got me yesterday and ate 4 eggs w/cayenne and sea salt after a very solid workout. I say "hunger got me" cuz I was still on the fence about the once daily protein feeding, so I said screw it and had some. Morning temp was 98.0 today image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Not too worried about the feeding of fat and protein as i will still be ketotic. I still feel I am going with the spirit of the diet by fasting 23 hours image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> Consider it a mix of RFL and the intermittent fasting protocols.

    As someone who has had thyroid issues in the past, I'm very in tune to when I'm borderline deficient and that's how I felt last week - sluggish, cold, slightly constipated... So, I think I will stick with a small protein feeding per day for now. Perhaps I am bailing on this too early and one week is not a good data sample, but I'm gonna try this for the week. Still, I'm in small ketosis and feeling good.

    Leon, low calorie and low carb diets lower thyroid output over time (refeeds are important to prevent this). Vince Gironda, legendary trainer, advocated zero carb dieting (meat, eggs, cream) for 3-4 days followed by a carb meal before repeating the process. He also advocated kelp tablets and trace minerals. All this was done to alleviate the drain on the thyroid. Dan Duchaine, author of BodyOpus, got around the problem with training parameters and a weekend carbfest after 5 days of <30g carbs. Without proper thyroid function, body temp falls, digestion slows, and fat loss goes out the window. Since thyroid is your thermostat, checking body temp while dieting is key. You should check it before rising, so keep the thermometer next to the bed. Also, if you get a thyroid test be sure to go full spectrum - TSH, T4, and T3. TSH and T4 can be fine with low T3 (what is used by the body) giving you the symptoms of hypothyroidism.

    Anyway, hope this helps.

    P.S. - Glad the temp was up, Patricia! image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
  • Cool guys, I have much to learn image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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  • Hey guys,

    Just wanted to share some positive vibes. Feeling pretty frisky, I put my ass through a grueling 29 minutes of an HIT routine (think Casey Viator/Arthur Jones nasty) getting my heart rate up to 180. Surprisingly, I made it through all 18 sets getting a great pump. After 15 minutes of being gassed on the floor, I got up and felt a huuuuge rush of energy. Checked my abs and there was a definite hard 4-pack image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

    This morning the BF analyzer said I was down 0.5%, waist is down 1/2 inch and arms are the same, all since Sunday. And get this: Weight is the same!

    Just had the omelet Monday, nothing but BPC yesterday, and 40g whey post-workout today. Also, I upped my minerals this week and that may be contributing to the extra energy and mental clarity.

    Good luck!
  • Right on, Eric! Sounds like a brutal workout. Glad some extra energy has kicked in for you.

    Gonna have to adjust the refeed. A six lb gain is just too much- it takes me the entire week to equalize.

    Feeling better on some protein. Keeping it in a 6 hour window.

    How's it going with you, Leon?
  • Awesome Eric - I'm going to need to hit you up for some training advice when i finish this cutting experiment image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    Patricia, my gain after my refeed was only 2lb and the only thing i did different was take a lot of alpha lipoic acid (3 x 600 mg) around my meals (and i wasn't holding back - see below). Its a fairly big jump to make but i'd have a stab with that to minimise your re-feed belly image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    Set a new minimum today (still a day out from my refeed) down to 182lb. So far i've gone from 191-184lb (week 1, noting i only had 2 days before my first refeed) then 186-182 lb (so far in week 2) - 7 days total. Hopefully i drop another lb or 2 between today and tomorrow. Either way i'm around 50% towards my goal, so even if my results only come half as fast from here on in it will only take me 2 more weeks...

    Its not all good though, yesterday was my first struggle in terms of hunger and energy levels. I topped up on BCAA and L-glutamine and it helped a fair bit, but it was definitely a tough evening! Probably didn't help that i downloaded the nom nom paleo app for my ipad yesterday - damn that food porn!!!

    Refeed breakfast!!!!!! (lamb ribs, heart, rice and no that's not coffee - bone broth!!)


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  • Leon,

    Love that pic, except it makes me hungry! How did you insert it?
  • Hi mate,

    Upload the picture to this website

    under resize select 640x480

    Then press this button on the console


    And paste the "direct link" from into the box that pops up

    image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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  • Two measly pounds, Leon? I'm insanely jealous.

    I can't figure why this is thrashing my thyroid so badly. I'm eating enough coconut oil/ MCT to avoid any drop in temperature. But it's bottomed out. Yesterday, it was an effort to get to even 97.0.

    I'll give your ALA trick a try.

    One possible suspect might be the coffee. I'm not use to much caffeine. The torque on my adrenals could pull my thyroid off. At least the caffeine offsets the energy deficit I usually experience below 98.2.

    It's weird- but what else is new?

    That photo's making me hungry, Leon. Food porn youself!
  • Ok so i had a pretty naughty weekend. I went away to the coast with some friends and had to give the diet a miss over the whole day friday and sunday morning. I don't feel guilty about it - it was a necessary evil to make sure i made the most of my holiday away. I came back feeling very relaxed!

    So anyway the Narooma Oyster festival was on and it featured a 12m oyster bar, so i think i ate 12m of oysters... In reality i didn't cheat the diet too much, kept it 0 carb (apart for my refeed day on saturday) and my indulgences were fairly bulletproof - sashimi, beef liver pate, egg yolks, bacon, chicken salad, avocado... I tried the bulletproof mayo and hollandaise recipes and they were both amazing, i can highly recommend them!

    Anyway it didn't end up hurting me that much, was back up to 184lb last night and then back to another pb of 181lb. Its a little bit helped by the fact that i didn't take any creatine over the weekend so i guess the litmus test will be tomorrow morning!


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  • Hey guys,

    Glad you had fun this weekend, Leon. Sounds like you did just fine what with the PB of 181. I've added a whey/creatine shake post workout and weight has stalled somewhat - 172 on Saturday; 176 after refeed (just one meal of sweet potatoes, veggies and meat along with whey shakes all day); 174 this morning. Not much difference...until today's workout. I pounded the weights (deadlifts, pullovers, presses, chins) for 78 minutes and felt stronger than at the start. I didn't want to stop. Haven't felt that way in months! Weight loss is great, but feeling great! Plus my abs are definitely starting to come in. So, net loss is 2#, but body recomp is certainly happening. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    The only problem I have is whether to keep my goal of 165, but that's a fine problem to have.

    Patricia, how did your weekend go? Did the ALA work? My temp is still hovering right at 98 with the addition of the whey and some more BPC.

    Good thoughts!
  • Hello Comrades,

    Good going on the weekend, Leon. You survived and thrived. Sorry to hear you're in a bit of a stall, Eric. You'll pull out of it, I'm sure.

    Hectic weekend. I've had to abort the Rapid Fat Loss mission until I can straighten out my thyroid. Found some new info on it though that makes sense. If your body temp is low and stable- that's just a thyroid issue.

    If your body temp is low and erratic- like 1 point swings from day to day and throughout the day even- that's adrenal involvement too. So I'm taking some adrenal stuff and waiting impatiently for the new, latest and greatest iodine supplement that I ordered.

    Thanks for asking, Eric. This may have nothing to do with the Fast. So I'll get my temp straightened out and give it another try. I miss no eating. Lots more time in the day without food preparation.

    Carry on! and All the best.
  • edited May 2012
    Just a quick update guys. Still making progress - i think that the minimal exercise is helping me to melt fat rather than do the body recomposition thing, although i think i'd rather be in your position Eric!

    Here is a table of my results so far:


    I had to cheat yesterday (beef salad with guacamole) because i was set up at a clients office and had no butter/mct. Not sure if i'm going to keep going with the full RFLP beyond this week, because i want to start building in some resistance training... Will post before and after pics when i hit the day before my refeed.

    Here's a challenge for you Eric, give me a start on a program that will help me build muscle using only kettlebells (all i've got since i moved into this tiny apartment in the city and sold my cage + olympic weights set). Any ideas or should i just hit the gym down the road and do deadlifts, bench and weighted chins? image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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  • Hey guys,

    Leon, you're progress is astounding! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    Before I attempt to figure out a routine for you, answer a few questions:
    • What size weights do you have?
    • How strong are you relative to what you have? Can you hinge swing 20kg for 20 reps? That kinda thing.
    • Do you have any limitations structurally (bad shoulder, etc...)? What needs the most work?

    I personally prefer deadlifts, dips and chins above all else, but I'm a lifter meathead. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> There are much better people to ask than I, but I'll give it a go. If I had only 2 sets of KB's (one heavy, one light) and needed a workout, here is what I would do in 30-40 minutes:

    First, master the basics.

    • Warmup: Swing, Snatch (opposite hand first), Goblet Squat - 1x20 w/light bells (3mins)

    Complex A - heavy bells
    1. Bulgarian Split Squat - 2x8-12 (L,R)
    2. Front Squat - 2x8-12
    3. Goblets - 2x12-20
    4. KB RDL - 2x12-20
    5. KB Sumo DL - 2xmax

    Rest 60 secs, then repeat starting with Right Bulgarian Squat

    ***Get a Swiss Ball maybe and do 20-30 pullovers w/ light bell

    Rest 3 mins

    Complex B - alternate heavy and light on most exercises
    1. Renegade Row - 2x8-12, with
    2. Pushup - 2xmax
    3. Snatch - 2x5-8 (one bell at a time - LRLR), with
    4. Alternating Press - 2x8-12 (one bell at a time - LRLR), with
    5. One Arm Shrug - 2x12-20 (one bell at a time - LRLR), with
    6. Side Press - 2x5-8 (LRLR)
    7. Turkish Get Up - 1x5-8 (LR)
    8. Hinge Swing - 100 reps total

    That's a pretty brutal 30-40 minutes, I think. Maybe you could split them? and do each once every 3-4 days? With your dietary constraints, less is more and remember, workouts need not be brutal to be effective. If I had to absolutely get pinned down, I would say do Complex A pre-refeed and Complex B post and that would carry you for the week. Note that this is more for myofibrillar and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and not strength per se. For strength, I would do many sets of lower reps, say 5x5 or 8x3 and focus one the snatch, clean and press, front squat, TGU, hinge and Sumos (probably in that order).

    Good investments for an apartment: ab rollout wheel (my fave ab workout), doorway chinup bar, swiss ball.

    Let me know what you think of this as a start and I'll make adjustments for you as we go. Good luck!
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