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  • Checking in, comrades.



    Leon- do you have a brand of ALA that you recommend? I've read combining it with evening primrose overcomes insulin resistence.



    I think I've isolated at least one issue. The coffee was thrashing my adrenals. Temp was all over the place- from 96- 98.6. Got that stabilized by cutting out the coffee. Darn. But I'm using an adaptogen chai tea now. I was feeling like such a grown up drinking coffee.



    Turns out the unstable low temp says thyroid AND adrenal. Now I'm low but stable at 97.2 but trending higher during the day. Making headway.



    Found a good source of iodine. The first one I used was aggravating the situation.



    Doing IF right now to see if my thyroid can handle it. Will try the Fat Fast again when my temp is up more.



    Aloha for now- and congratulations on your progress, gentleman.

    Patricia
  • Hey Patricia,

    I actually just used some Vitamin Shoppe branded stuff (i still had a bit lying around from my attempt at PAGG a couple years back image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> ). Not sure about its quality but it was damn cheap image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    OK so the gym down the road has a special on at the moment for a couple months membership. Thanks for putting the effort into the program Eric, but i've impulsively decided to get into some "real" weights and see how i go image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    Anyway, its a few days on and i've been eating pretty healthily so far and my weight has maintained - so far so good. Body recomp here i come!!!!
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  • Howdy y'all,



    I'm on my 2nd week of Keto BPIF w/ carb refeeds (sounds like a band, doesn't it?) and can't complain. BW is still hovering at 172 (from 180), but the deadlift, pullup and press numbers keep growing. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Using 2 carbs spikes per week (about 125g each) seems to be a happy medium for body recomp. Strangely, my waist is the same measurement, but the BF% is now at 17.3 or 16.6 (depends what mood my analyzer is in). Anyway, I feel settled in for the long haul. My goal is 10.0 at 165. I really want to compete this year at 165 raw.



    Should I throw the scale out of the equation? Just do waist, arm, and BF%? As much as I criticize people I advise for being scale addicts, I feel disappointment when it still comes up at 172. So, do I go for broke to make weight at 165, or just be happy with the body recomp and compete at 181? Any thoughts?



    Leon - No worries! Let me know if I can help with any programming. Also, the beef salad w/guacamole you mentioned as a business lunch? There a recipe for that, or do I just throw a steak on lettuce and call it good? image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />



    Patricia - Glad the temp is getting stable. I used to do the adaptogen tea and really liked it. Are you IF'ing with some daily carbs? Or are you cycling them in and out?



    Thanks. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
  • Hey Patricia, I feel I need to add something about the temperature and thyroid function correlation. I have not run abnormally cold, in fact i tend to run hot, especially when I am sleeping, and i was just diagnosed a couple days ago with hypothyroidism (my thyroid is not releasing enough t4 and t3 to regulate my metabolic rate properly). My TSH levels from the pituitary gland were off the charts. Meaning my brain is trying really hard to get my thyroid to work and it just isnt doing it. Anyway, what im trying to say, is that body temperature is not the best way to determine thyroid function. If you really want to see how your thyroid is doing, then you need a blood test for TSH.



    Hope this helps any concerns about thyroid function..



    Kittykat
  • 'kitty' wrote:


    Hey Patricia, I feel I need to add something about the temperature and thyroid function correlation. I have not run abnormally cold, in fact i tend to run hot, especially when I am sleeping, and i was just diagnosed a couple days ago with hypothyroidism (my thyroid is not releasing enough t4 and t3 to regulate my metabolic rate properly). My TSH levels from the pituitary gland were off the charts. Meaning my brain is trying really hard to get my thyroid to work and it just isnt doing it. Anyway, what im trying to say, is that body temperature is not the best way to determine thyroid function. If you really want to see how your thyroid is doing, then you need a blood test for TSH.



    Hope this helps any concerns about thyroid function..



    Kittykat




    You are right that measuring these levels is important, and TSH is but a small slice of the equation. While I'm not a physiologist, there are a lot of knowledgeable folks out there who will say TSH is insufficient all by it's lonesome to tell you much of anything relating to how healthy your thyroid system is.



    Let me try an analogy. You're trying to figure out if your car's MPG is normal or impeded or if there are issues in the fuel filter or the spark plugs or the pistons, etc etc. But the gas gauge (the TSH number) is blinking red, so surely there is a big problem because the car is trying to get more gas and it can't.



    So yeah you need to address the issue of the gas gauge, but a tank that is begging for gas doesn't tell you what is happening in the fuel filter or even if there is a leak in the tank. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> A really high TSH is a problem, definitely! But why it is high is a whole 'nother question.



    Sorry if that's a crappy analogy. I find it fun to try to come up with them.
  • The doctor tested free T4 and free T3 levels, as well as thyroid antibody levels, after seeing the elevated TSH from the pituitary gland. Thyroid antibodies and free T4 and T3 levels are the second step after seeing the TSH levels are well abnormally high. Several times the normal. The T4 levels were low, as well as T3. Also showing that the thyroid is not ideal. The antibodies were not abnormal-luckily meaning that my immune system is NOT attacking my thyroid. Always handy. The doctor was thinking the specialist would do more tests to see if it was the cranks or pistons or spark plugs that were causing the problem, however, I was completely asymptomatic in every area except for having a swollen thyroid gland and the elevated TSH and low T4+3.



    This is from my understanding of undergraduate physiology, anatomy, neuroscience, and what the drs explained to me. I do not dub myself the queen of thyroids -oh if only.......... - but this is my current understanding.



    My general message is if your car has a flat tire (eg temperature readings) , does not mean that the engine doesnt work (thyroid function).



    Thyroid function should not necessarily be a major concern if your temperature is low, more variables need to be considered before the thyroid is to be blamed.



    I would recommend if anyone has had some real trouble losing weight and is not sure why, and has been a long term dieter on VLCDs and is certain they have been counting calories (most of us doing old style dieting would have) correctly, then thyroid function may be a useful test. Just to make sure.



    Kittykat
  • Hey All,

    First off- thanks, Leon for the ALA tip. I've recently read that ALA plus Evening Primrose is the insulin resistence slayer. Haven't tried it yet since I'm giving my pancreas a good long rest before I introduce any carbs again.



    I dropped 8 lbs last week with IF. Which is strange (good strange) because the first time I did it, didn't lose an ounce. That shows me I'm on the right track with the adrenal/thyroid connection. Just quitting the coffee and attending to my adrenals and thyroid is working. Leveled out the last two days- but it may be because I ate in restaurants with crappy salt.



    Thanks Kittykat and Abgandrea for the input.



    I can tell what I'm doing is working because I'm happy. No less stress in my life- but managing it very well. Also making sure I sleep in a totally dark space. All in all it's working!
  • I find with my thyroid probs I still do okay on just plain bulletproof. Not even IF. I havent been on meds long enough for them to affect me and get me back on track. Usually takes a month or so. I really hope you dont end up with thyroid problems too. You could end up taking the meds for the rest of your life. Im going to try and see if I can bulletproof myself out of the meds once my body is in a better place. I find the higher fat the better in terms of Thyroid/adrenal stuff. That seems to work. Have you had your thyroid tested with blood tests to make sure its okay?



    kittyk
  • Hey Kitty- that "meds for the rest of your life" is crap- crap from Big pHARMa. A patient cured is a patient lost. Wilson Temperature Therapy is great at resetting your thyroid- getting it to function on it's own again.



    No, I haven't done thyroid blood work lately. Those tests are notoriously poor indicators. You might find the physician's manual of interest. Just google Wilson Temperature Syndrome. It worked spectacularly for me until I got whiplash in a car accident. That threw my thyroid off again.



    Wellness Resources Iosol Iodine is working well- the potassium iodide I got was making it worse. Also taking adrenal support- that's probably been the biggest factor in stabilizing my temp. Getting better quality and better timed sleep is helping as well. Since I'm an antique- I'm looking for a practitioner who does The Wiley Protocol. That's the only kind of bio-identical I would touch. The static dose of the Suzanne Somers crowd approach is hogwash.
  • Interestingly enough, I had to rush to the dr today because i have been getting side effects from the thyroid med. Minor things, but abnormal such a muscular cramps, and general muscular weakness, more severely: bad headaches, and extreme almost painful nausea an hour after taking the meds. They said stop taking them. I have to see the endocrinologist to discuss this. the main reason why they put me on the medication right away is because my TSH levels from the pituitary to the thyroid are 4 times the normal level. But i will go out and find some iodine medication tomorrow and something similar to your adrenal support. I had hoped the meds would help but they have not. I will have to solve this myself. thanks for your advice.



    Kittyk
  • edited July 2012
    Hi guys, can I revive this topic? I am doing the Rapid Fat Loss Protocol and I'm in my 4th day. It's going quite well, lost 2kg so far (starting weight 2 months ago 103kg, currently at 92kg, goal weight around 80kg). I am getting married end of September so I have 2 months left to get into shape image/icon_cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cool:' />

    I am interested in Leon's experience in particular. Have you managed to keep off the weight since you did the protocol? Would you do it again?

    Oh, and what's the score with muscle loss? Dave never replied to people asking about this on the web page for the protocol. I've been swinging kettlebells for the last month but I doubt I built up much muscle so I'm not all that concerned, but I can only suppose some muscle loss is bound to happen on the butter fast!
  • how are u guys doing with the protocol? i maybe join u next week, things are going sooo slow...
  • edited July 2012
    'Bettie' wrote:


    how are u guys doing with the protocol? i maybe join u next week, things are going sooo slow...




    I am in my fifth day now. Lost 3kg so far, not a bad return! Tomorrow is refeed day so let's see what happens.

    As I am making my BP coffee in the morning I do some extremely minimal exercise, but high intensity, like squatting a 24kg kettlebell for 10 times and then swinging it about 10 times. I suspect that would help too to get the metabolism into higher gear.

    I feel like I am on fire in the morning and I'm quite productive. Can't say the same for the afternoon, and evenings are not always easy (I cheated on some Brazil nuts the other day, but don't think that did much harm at all as that is all fat). Discovered yesterday BP green tea is quite nice too. Handy for the evenings, as I can't handle raw butter on its own, so I just blend it now.

    I even cooked yesterday but I didn't eat it, that's for tomorrow... (mince meat, carrots, onions, garlic, tomatoes and I'll try to eat lots of white rice and sweet potatoes with it tomorrow).

    Anyone else on the protocol at the moment?
  • hmmm sounds great... i dont eat between 8pm and 8am and then i have 2 bulletproof style teas (tea with coconut oil, butter and a dash of cream) and a cup of bonebroth until 12. 1pm i usually work out (hard but short weight lifting).



    i never managed to go up to diner without some solid food or at least a shake with raw eggs, how you manage this? i wouldn't even say its "real hunger" but i start to feel a bit off. i have to say that prior to eating paleo / low carb i had really bad blood sugar issues. i have pcos.



    i am not sure i want to fat fast all day for 5 days, but it would be great to survive up to diner time (when i can cook at home) and maybe some days go without any "solid food" when i just don't find the time to cook.
  • Bettie, how much have you got to lose? Is your profile pic where you are now or is that the goal? image/icon_cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cool:' />

    I think depending on your background, a 5 day fat fast may not be ideal, especially if you are a lady with PCOS. I'm no expert by any means but I do know that we are all different, and I've read quite a few posts now saying fasting and women doesn't always go very well.

    I only started Intermittent Fasting once I was on a clean diet for about a month. First did an evening to evening fast, then a week later a 36 hour fast, same the next week, and now doing this longer fat fast for the first time. It seems to work out pretty well for me, so I think I will just keep going until I have reached my target weight.

    After this I don't think I will have BP coffee every morning. I do actually like a proper breakfast with usually spinach and scrambled eggs. Don't really do shakes apart from BP drinks.

    The good thing is I now know my body can handle fasting quite well, which is quite refreshing for a guy who used to eat every few hours and was always hungry. It seems I have repaired my metabolism and am running on fat now! As I said to my other half yesterday, I won't starve any time soon as there is still quite a bit of fat left that can be used for fuel...

    Have you looked into a "normal" ketogenic diet? Might be more appropriate for your ends. Just discovered this site http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com and it is quite interesting.
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