Inner Balance For Ios Review

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  • Hi Reggie


     


    Your question:


     


    Does having an elevated HR throughout the session interfere with reaching high coherence?


     


    Short answer, in my experience, no. The first time I delivered a HeartMath talk about two years ago I used the emWave for Quick Coherence minutes before the talk began. My HR was 106BPM! But I was also 96% in high coherence. 


     


    A high HR can sometimes make it more difficult to get into high coherence though, and depends greatly on what is causing the high HR. Caffeine spikes your HR by stimulating your adrenals. But so does being excited about something (which I was when I gave my first talk). So in my understanding it boils down to what is causing the high HR, and how effective can you be in controlling it through your breath-work and focus... which essentially is exactly what the techniques and monitoring your practice with the technology is all about. 


     


    Your takeaway about coherence not being dependant on HR is absolutely correct. We define Coherence as an optimal state in which the heart, mind and emotions are operating in-sync and balanced (the heart-brain, neocortex, and enteric brain). Physiologically the immune, hormonal and nervous systems function in a state of energetic coordination. You could say that this energetic coordination shows up as the smooth sine wave in the HRV trace. The bigger the amplitude of that sine wave the better, meaning your ability to respond appropriately in a given situation increases. The highest and lowest point of that wave will be the highest and lowest BPM at that point. Your HR is then an average of these beat-to-beat changes over time. From this you can then see that Coherence as a psychophysiological state is not dependent on HR.


     


    There is no need to change your practice schedule unless you want to, as long as you feel that your practice isn't compromised by taking the Modafinil, which it doesn't sound like it is. I need to add a disclaimer though: I am not a doctor, and don't have experience with the affect of drugs on HR or HRV.


     


     


    @Joel... Happy to hear of your purchase and that I could be of service.


     


    @Katolotus... Your progress sounds great. Thanks again for getting this thread started. Please keep us updated, and look out for a PM from me over the next couple of days.


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  • maybe relevant, maybe not.  maybe interesting, maybe not - but about higher heart rate and coherence - i tried an experiment a few times where i watched porn while doing a session with my emwave software - certainly increased my heart rate relative to other sessions, but didn't have any observable impact on the coherence state percentages i was able to reach.

  • edited July 2013

    Here's a quick blog post I know you guys will appreciate, featuring Dave Asprey:


     


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  • Dave, you shouldn't subject yourself to such experiments just in the name of science.


     


    We appreciate your dedication though... ;)


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  • without sacrifice, there is no progress.   :-P


     


     


    i really jumped the gun on moving up in the levels according to what alan suggests - i was moving up when i reached 10% high rather than waiting for 90%.  as such, i have moved back down from highest (level 4) to high (level 3).  typically in the 70s - 80s % high there, so not too far from moving back up.


     


    still haven't read the book heart math solution.  i've seen dave recommend it and jason hooper too.  do you recommend it, alan?


     


    trying to decide which i want to read next - man 2.0 engineering the alpha or the heart math solution.  pretty sure i'm reading both eventually, just want to read the more valuable first.  i think you've read both katolotus, right?  what do you suggest?

  • That makes sense, Alan. I am understanding some of the numbers on the app a lot better. I did not realize you could interpret so much by looking at them. I will keep experimenting with how modafinil (and caffeine etc) affect coherence. 


     


    Also, I just saw a youtube talk on coherence by Dr. Alan Watkins. he talks about how one can be in a negative or a positive emotional state irrespective of HR. So, I take that to mean that monitoring your emotional state is more important than HR. Link below:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_fFattg8N0#t=20m40s


     


    @Dave


    that sounds like an experiment worth repeating :cool:

  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭

    My performance has increased dramatically while away and not training. Getting averages in the 5s and have been hitting over 8 at points during a session (normally 10mins). This is much higher than before where I'd be lucky to see 6.0 and would average around 2.5-3.2 before. Will be interesting if I can continue my progress once I start training hard twice-a-day again.


     


    Been getting roughly 2 sessions-a-day since 3rd June. Currently on level 3 and have changed my music to instrumentals in the last week.


     


    Best review


    Date: 11 Jul


    Length: 11.50


    Coherence: 6.0


    Achievement: 842


     


     


    Worst review


    Date: 12 Jun


    Length: 10.08


    Coherence: 1.8


    Achievement: 213

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  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭
    edited July 2013

    New bulletproof app looks interesting. Looks perfect for me and should complement my inner balance training.


     


    On a side note, those interested in this stuff there's an interesting thread about thoughts while breathing. Really be good to add those thoughts to this thread :-)


     


    http://forum.bulletproofexec.com/index.php?/topic/4821-thoughts-during-emwave/#entry37257


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  • edited July 2013

    @Dave, although the HeartMath Solution is a wonderful overview of HeartMath techniques, I really like and advise The Inside Story (http://www.heartmathstore.com/item/eisb/heartmath-the-inside-story-(e-book)) as a means to quickly grasp the fundamentals. We only have the hard copy available in SA, and it quickly sells out.


     


    @Reggie, precisely! Monitoring your emotions and learning to manage them moment-to-moment is the ideal outcome. It all comes down to your physiology. It's inescapable that there are approximately 1400 biochemical changes that take place every time you shift your emotions.. either from positive to negative or negative to positive! At the top of those changes is an influx of Adrenaline (or Acetylcholine) and Cortisol (or DHEA). Our habitual thought patterns are triggering our emotions all the time! When we use Inner Balance Trainer to influence HRV, what we're doing is stopping those habitual thoughts and shifting into positive emotions through intention, thereby increasing the release of DHEA in the body (instead of Cortisol). Over time this shifts our baseline response, and the DHEA helps us achieve that "inner balance". Understanding Henry's Axis, which Alan Watkins illustrates, is the key!


     


    Remember, all stress and situations we encounter in life are firstly handled through our perceptions, and then our physiology and biochemistry. Although every individual's perceptions vary significantly - what stresses me out doesn't necessarily stress you out - our biochemistry is our commonality. Your body produces hormones based on neurons firing in the brain. Its the impact of those hormones on our wellbeing that matters. Discovering and understanding those triggers, and then learning to interrupt and manage them, is the "biohacking" we've been talking about. Because the brain has plasticity, we can learn to re-wire ourselves intentionally! HeartMath provides a simple, elegant and practically effortless way to do this, and Inner Balance is the immediate feedback letting you know you're on track.


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    Thanks for a detailed and honest review! HRV is something I have been considering lately as my next investment in upgrading myself (along with possibly an earthing/grounding surface of some kind). This was exactly the sort of information I was needing to see to further inform my decision.
  • edited July 2013


    @Dave, although the HeartMath Solution is a wonderful overview of HeartMath techniques, I really like and advise The Inside Story (http://www.heartmathstore.com/item/eisb/heartmath-the-inside-story-(e-book)) as a means to quickly grasp the fundamentals. We only have the hard copy available in SA, and it quickly sells out.




     


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    Cool book, definitely going to check if out. Alan, do you know of any audio resources / books / podcasts that you could recommend with regards to using/describing inner balance / emwave2 / HRV in general? I'm always looking for things to listen to while commuting or while at gym, and this might be ideal.


     


    Speaking of commuting, I better get ready to go out and sit in traffic. I've been told by Dr. Greg Venning you will probably also be at his Mastering Your Mind workshop tonight at Vitality, so if you don't get a chance to see this message let's see if you can recognize me haha. If you do see this message before then, well I look forward to meeting you!


  • Hi Alan, 


     


    Thank you for the demonstration you gave tonight with Greg, it was great to see the EmWave2 in action. The whole evening in general was like music to my ears because it was just so in line with  what I believe in (very much "bulletproof" as we say here on the forums), and what I've personally experienced in my journey from sickness to health and beyond. 


     


    There were a couple more questions that I had for you, but I could see that Neal was in greater need of help from you tonight with his stressor and thought it best to leave you two alone to talk.


     


    1) The first is if you have noticed Dave Asprey's new app called Food Sense and whether you have any opinions/thoughts on it. It aims to use heart rate as an indicator for food sensitivity, and it also has HRV capabilities in the premium version used to track your HRV and alert you of fight or flight responses throughout the day. It is supposably designed to work in conjunction with the HeartMath technology in that it is more just for monitoring and coming up with correlating factors, than the actual training of HRV. As far as I can tell, it's a free app which is great, but it doesn't seem to offer anything more than HeartMath does, it's really just the actual strategy of use that counts.


     


    - The description of the app as well as his podcast discussing it with the app developer can be found here: http://www.bulletproofexec.com/find-your-kryptonite-with-the-free-bulletproof-food-sense-iphone-app/


    - Katolotus has also started another review discussion thread for it here: http://forum.bulletproofexec.com/index.php?/topic/4780-food-sense-app-by-the-bulletproof-executive-review/


     


    2) Anyways my second question is to help me decide if I should purchase the EmWave2, or just the Inner Balance Trainer. Apart from the price difference from R2,550 and R1,485 (which isn't really a concern for me, I will purchase the one that I think would benefit me the most). I can't quite figure out how exactly the two products differ - I know you did talk quite a lot about it in your post here: http://forum.bulletproofexec.com/index.php?/topic/4102-inner-balance-for-ios-review/?view=findpost&p=35673


     


    My understanding is that:


     


    Inner Balance Trainer:


    - iOS app that is free, but you need to purchase the sensor required to use it.


    - Can perform pretty much everything that the EmWave2 does (and more) - except when it comes to the actual desktop application.


    - "Shows more information more readily than the EmWave2, and is customisable by adding your own soundtrack and inspirational image... on-screen prompts, cues, and coherence coach"


     


    EmWave2:


    - Comes with additional Desktop software, and can have the data saved and exported.


    - Comes with a quick state guide and a practice plan.


     


    If I was to purchase the EmWave2, but didn't want to carry it around with my all day every day in addition to my phone, would the sensor that comes with the EmWave2 be compatible with my iPhone 4 and the Inner Balance app without any additional hardware purchases? I think this will be the deciding factor of whether I purchase the EmWave2 or the Inner Balance.


     


    Thanks for your time.


  • Just wanted to give a heads up, Heartmath is having a sale till August 19th, 25% off select products, Emwave2 is $169 vs $229. 


     


    Plus, if you were/are military (my husband is a vet) they offer a very sweet military discount. 


  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭
    edited July 2013

    Here's an interesting question (for me), hopefully Alan can help. For those not interested in the long theory of mine, skip to below for my questions and you'll get the idea (sort of maybe) :wink:.


     


    Now the Food Sense app is available which does the same job (in theory) as the BioForce mentioned earlier in this thread. This gives you a HRV score everyday (0-100) to give you an idea of how stressed you are, which I would guess would give you an idea of overtraining like the BioForce, as that's a stress on the body that would show up. So BioForce scores you and if you're stress is high and it gives you a low score, you back off training a bit, rest more, until your morning score increase enough, then you train harder again.


     


    Now I'm hoping to use the Food Sense HRV feature in the same way, so in my (sometimes) twice-daily training sessions. I can either push hard and maybe add a few bits in, or do the bare minimum and check my HRV score the next day and adjust again. Sounds like a great plan to me and easier than trying to look at the Inner Balance twice daily and see if my scores have dropped and how I'm getting into coherence. Now this is were my questions come from.


     


    Basically the BioForce and Bulletproof Food Sense (Sweetbeat) apps take your HRV scores each morning. You hook yourself up it takes 60+ seconds and gives you a score, 0-100 and colour codes it 3 levels. Good/OK/Bad in theory. That's great, but with the Inner Balance app I've been training to get into coherence (which takes more than 60 secs) for 10 mins twice-a-day. Been training with it nearly every day for 7 weeks now and feeling great general from it. Now as these are two different styles of HRV apps, it's thrown up the following questions about my use of them and how it would effect my daily life.


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    Questions 


    Obviously the answers to some questions will make others null and void, but with no answers yet, I'm going for broke


     


    1. How does Inner Balance effect my waking and general Heart Rate and/or HRV when not in coherence?


    2. Will the training with Inner Balance effect the scores on the other apps (sweetbeat, bioforce etc), making them less reliable?


         â€¢  would my HRV show up better than my clones who's not using Inner Balance, but training the same?


         â€¢  would my HRV show up the same as my clones who's not using Inner Balance, but training the same?


         â€¢  if my HRV show up the worse as my clones who's not using Inner Balance, how's using it helping (take it this is unlikely)?


         â€¢  If my waking HRV is the same as someone (i.e. my clone) not using Inner Balance, how is the info from the other apps useful?


         â€¢  if I use my trained breathing patterns from Inner Balance while using the other apps, would this effect the other apps scores?


    3. How does this effect the physical stress from training and my HRV data?


    4. If Inner Balance doesn't effect my heart rate (HRV) when I'm not breathing correctly, how has it effected my general mood?


    5. If Inner Balance does effect the heart rate (HRV) when not in coherence, how does that effect my physical body, i.e. muscle damage from training, recover speeds, general physical abilities.


    6. Is it possible that using Inner balance training can have effects on my physical body if I'm recovering quicker, training more than if I wasn't using it?


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    Ok, that's enough for now, think the above questions repeat a little, but I've confused myself too much, so it'll have to come out in the wash I hope. If any of these questions can be answered, then i'll probably have a lot more questions in whichever direction the info sends me, so I can make the best use of both apps (Inner Balance & SweetBeat). This takes me back to how I first heard about HRV, which was a posted youtube video on this forum (I re-linked it at the start of this thread), which mention high-level athletes in Rowing, Golf and Cycling. 


     


    Now I'm looking to apply multiple HRV apps to hack my life/training/performance. 


     


    All from my iPhone! SUCK IT android users


    http://forum.bulletproofexec.com/index.php?/topic/4781-android-vs-iphone-katolotus-requested/


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  • I've been working with the Inner Balance app for the last 4 days.   Level 1 & 2 went quickly for me, pacing my breath is something I learned from yoga/pranayama.  Level 3 has definitely taken it up a notch for me.


     


    Last night as I was practicing I was watching the mandala expand and contract it reminded me of how the breath moves in pranayama. The mandala was a visual reminder to let my breath widen and touch the side ribs.  As the breath rises the ribs move laterally to the sides, horizontal expansion, and then the sternum bone lifts, connecting the sternum bone to the skin on top of the sternum.  So essentially, with inhalation we're very consciously lifting and expanding, rib by rib, pulling the breath up to the level of the heart. 


     


    It's taught not to drop the sternum as you exhale, but to keep it lifted, so you retain the lift into the heart.   This has really helped me stay in coherence, yesterday  had my highest level at level three, 6.1, and 740 achievement for my 10 min session. 


     


    Another "hack" discovered last night was that I could sustain a much longer focus if I felt  the intrinsic qualities of the heart rather than using  a memory.  Focusing on the natural energy of heart, being with that, feeling it, then let my mind "rest" there.  


     


    If your mind wants to play in Inner Labrador mode, this technique I learned from Anna Wise "The High Performance Mind" is very helpful.  Relax your tongue, let your tongue rest along the floor of your mouth.  (Rather than pressing it up against the hard palate.) The tongue and the internal dialog are very much connected; when the tongue is pressed up against the hard palate it's as if it's on pause, ready to jump and respond to the direction of the mind.  So by unplugging that connection, you can quiet down the internal dialog and more easily shift your focus to the heart.


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  • @Alan, is there any studies/evidence for increase DHEA / decrease cortisol (James Henry's x-axis shift) with maintaining coherence? 


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    Congrats on your shoutout on twitter you beautiful, beautiful man  ;)




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    The threads the star.


     


    Hoping Alan will be back soon to give it even more depth ;-)

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  • I got an awesome surprise phone call from Alan this morning to chat a bit more about the EmWave2 versus Inner Balance, and I've decided to go with the former.


     


    I asked a question earlier in this discussion about whether I could use Inner Balance with the hardware that comes with the EmWave2 and the answer is unfortunately no. When you buy Inner Balance you get the sensor + adapter + application. When you buy the EmWave2 you get the sensor + the hardware device, no adapter.


     


    For those who are interested, here are my reasons why I decided to go with the EmWave2 over Inner Balance:


     


    - The biggest reason is honestly to keep independent from my iPhone. I would hate to not be able to do HRV training if I were to have my phone stolen, or be restricted to iOS as future phone upgrade options because of Inner Balance (and most other HRV apps) not being currently available on Android.


     


    - Hardware failure / device replacement is cheaper. For example if I'm walking around everywhere with my iPhone + IB and it gets damaged, that's going to cost me more to replace than if I'm walking around everywhere with just the EmWave2. Although I suppose one could argue that in many situations I might be walking around with both the EmWave2 and my iPhone...).


     


    - Keeping it separate also frees up my iPhone for using other HRV apps such as SweetBeat/FoodSense and Tinké for concurrent sessions and comparison.


     


    - It comes with additional desktop software for better data analysis and backing up / exporting, as well as games to train your HRV, whereas IB doesn't. 


     


    - It comes with a quick start guide and practice plan, whereas IB doesn't. 


     


    - As Alan mentioned on the phone, and I think Dave Asprey has mentioned too in a podcast, the EmWave2 is a much better option if you are concerned about radiation/device frequencies from your phone (which to be honest I'm not, at least not yet anyways since I haven't done enough research into that - but I respect both of their opinions and think if it's something that they take note of, then it's something I should take note of too).


     


    - Something else worth mentioning, is I suspect that the EmWave2 might have greater reliability over a long period of time than the iPhone does. iPhones have a tendency to be used for much more tasks, suffer from wear and tear, get dirty, get dropped, and so on. 


     


     


    It's probably worth mentioning some of the disadvantages of this decision however:


     


    - The EmWave2 is obviously a bit more expensive than Inner Balance.


     


    - The Inner Balance application shows information more readily than the EmWave2, until you plug it into the desktop application anyways.


     


    - Inner Balance allows you to walk around with just 1 device (your phone), whereas the EmWave2 you will be walking around with your phone (because most of us don't go anywhere without it) as well as the EmWave2 device.


     


    There are probably a few other pros and cons that I missed out, but these above were my main concerns.


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    Anyways, in response to some of katolotus's questions, obviously get a proper reply from Alan or someone else who is more familiar with the app, but I will try answer in according to what I understand:


    Something that confuses me a bit about your questions is that you seem to be seeing Inner Balance as something that actively DOES something to your body and HRV. Surely you should rather be looking at it as a device to help you train your HRV. For example you could train your HRV without Inner Balance, but it just makes it a much easier task to do (especially if you are fairly new to HRV training).


     


    1. "How does Inner Balance effect my waking and general Heart Rate and/or HRV when not in coherence?" - In line with what I said above, it won't? I would it's more about how would you USE Inner Balance to effect your waking and general HR/HRV.


     


    2. "Will the training with Inner Balance effect the scores on the other apps (sweetbeat, bioforce etc), making them less reliable?" - That's a good question. I guess if the overall goal is to improve HRV then a high coherence level with IB would also lead to a high coherence level with other similar apps. HRV apps need to be designed for people of varying levels of HRV. Everyone doesn't start off at the exact same coherence level.


     


    3. "How does this effect the physical stress from training and my HRV data?" - A better HRV and coherence will mean you are better able to adapt in stressful situations (both physically and mentally). The extent that it can help would be based on an individual level.


     


    4. Not sure.


     


    5. Not sure.


     


    6. "Is it possible that using Inner balance training can have effects on my physical body if I'm recovering quicker, training more than if I wasn't using it?" - I know Dave Asprey's approach to using Inner Balance / EmWave2 / HRV training is to check for overtraining. We all know about his phobia for physical exercise and I think the whole idea is to set yourself kind of benchmarks of coherence. For example you basically learn what your upper limits are when it comes to physical stress on your body by judging how much it affects your coherence level. Most of the time overtraining goes under our radar or it takes a while for us to catch on and realize we have been a bit excessive. My understanding is that you would compare your HRV/coherence level while recovering from a workout to what it should ideally be when you have worked out significantly - but not over trained. That way you can see if you can keep working out (or increase the intensity), or if you are nearing your upper limit and should consider giving yourself some more rest (or decreasing the intensity).


     


    For example let's say you are fully rested both physically and mentally, and then you have a good training session / workout. You feel fine, you hit the workout spot on, no over training or excessive level of activity. You then try and repeat these conditions a few times over a few weeks

  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭
    edited July 2013

    but can you bulletproof your emwave2?


     


    iPhone-LockScreen_Jul13.jpg


     


    My iPhone 5 lock screen :-)


     


    Goes well with my new bulletproof t-shirts and bulletproof coffee stains in my beard!


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  • Found the study relating increase coherence to a doubling of dhea and 23% reduction in cortisol, in 30 days.


     


    The graph is on page 10, I guess one needs to assume that the few subjects who went in the "wrong direction" (increased cortisol, decreaded dhea) didn't try hard enough / weren't in coherence long enough? Also, no comparison with a control group, but these changes would be considered significant regardless (doubling dhea in one month is usually only seen through supplementation). 


     


    A good graph would be - time in coherence per day versus dhea/cortisol levels, month to month, for n>30, mapped against controls.


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  • Inner Balance has been sitting in my Amazon queue for weeks.. I happened upon this thread this evening..


     


    Ordered that shit right up...


     


    No doubts about it now...


     


    Thanks to everyone for all the great info in this thread...


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  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭
    edited July 2013

    Training is continuing and very regular with minimum 10 mins morning, 10 mins before bed. Managed at 24 mins session last night and saw a 9.7 coherence, which was the highest I'd ever managed. Didn't stay in the 9s too long, but still!


     


    Currently on Level 3 and getting scores between 300 and 500 for 10 mins. Average coherence has dropped in the last week or so to 3.0-3.5 where it was more like 3.5-4.1, finding staying in the green a little harder this week. 


     


    Highest average Coherence: 6.0


    Lowest average Coherence: 1.3


     


    Longest Session: 23.32 mins


    Shortest Session: 5.01 mins


     


    Highest Achievement: 1011


    Lowest Achievement: 85


     


    Going to start using the HRV soon, so will have some more static feedback on my general HRV without the breathing exercises. Basically put the HRM on in the morning. Relax for 3 mins while it takes your HRV. It then gives you a score out of 100. Should be interesting.


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    MMA Fighter

     

    SUCCESS: A lot of little things done well

  • WOW. Well, this is the first full thread I've read (okay, so i've only skimmed it so far) since joining the forum, and boy is it spectacular. 


     


    I started thinking about buying Inner Balance for a few days now, since I do have the $99 and Dave recommended it on a webinar he did with Mark Joyner of Simpleology. I already spend ~30 minutes meditating every day, but my initial thought is that using the IBS would help me to stay focused on my state of mind throughout the day and would improve my overall ability to stay working smoothly and at max potential instead of getting frustrated and burnt out. 


     


    I'll come back and read the entire thread in a few days here- I just want to make sure I buy one before this sale is over if I do decide on getting one. Maybe I should read one of the HeartMath books first to get a better feel for their ideas? 


  • @kato


    My training is very similar to yours- 10 mins morning and 10 mins before bed at Level 3. A couple of days ago, I saw my coherence jump up to 8.9 for a few seconds and I got really excited. Made me wonder if there is an upper limit on coherence. Interestingly, I was watching an engrossing TV show at that time. It was surprising as I do not really get that level of coherence even when in a dark room, concentrating completely, listening to calm music. Maybe, being engrossed in the information drowned all the background chatter in my brain. 


  • My earpeice broke after 2 months, any idea how I can get that seperatly?


  • @kato - I have done a 9.9 on 3 occasions. Has anyone here cracked 10? Does the software let you?


     


    Also, general question how do people "rate" their sessions?


     


    I use total time in coherence (which I have to mentally calc from the session end info) and then peak coherence, as a way to keep motivated.


    Reigning Former Inner Balance "Mad Monk" Champion... :-P 

  • Get mine tomorrow... Stoked!!


    BUTTER TEA

  • I'm still working with level 3.  I hit 10.4 once, it was a really good session, it was after I taught a couple of yoga classes and was in green zone for 93% of the session.  Haven't been able to reach that again,but wow, did it feel good.  Today after class the highest I reached was 8.5, 74% high coherence.  My morning coherence levels are the lowest, afternoons definitely peak.  In traditional Chinese medicine the hours between 11am to 1pm relate to the heart, supposedly there is a time of day that each organ  functions optimally and has the most energy.  Has anyone else noticed a pattern? 


     


    @ryanlucht, I studied this thread too before I bought, so much good information,  it really helped me decide between the Emwave and the IB.  I was a bit disappointed with the "bundle" that came with the IB, the Heartmath people could do better in terms of presentation. Or at least hire voice actors that don't sound like they're reading a script.  I am very happy with the actual program though, really excellent app.


     


    @runchamp, have you contacted Heartmath?  It has a 1 year warranty. 



     


  • My earpeice broke after 2 months, any idea how I can get that seperatly?




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    As far as I know (could be wrong...), the ear sensor used for the EmWave2 and Inner Balance are the same (and fairly cheap $25): http://www.heartmathstore.com/item/6010-E/emwave-ear-sensor


    The cost behind the EmWave2 is the hardware itself, and the cost behind the Inner Balance Trainer is the adapter piece that links the ear sensor to the phone.

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