Adderall - Need Help Quitting

Hello everyone. 


 


As a child my parents got conned into believing that I had ADHD because I was hyper all of the time. I saw a psychologist and they asked me all sorts of questions and ended up finding that since I had sleeping problems, was always hyper, and didn't do well in school that I had ADHD. 


 


Well looking back at it my parents gave me sugar soda multiple times a days so I was always jacked up and I didn't like school in 7th grade, who did?


 


Regardless I have been on this prescription meth for 7 years now. This past fall I started having heart problems, my resting heart rate was 118 BPM, I was off the charts and I was getting rushed from specialist to specialist trying to figure out what was wrong with me. I quit chewing tabacco, my horrible diet full of sugar and carbs and switched to a vegan diet for a while, and then recently went bulletproof 1 month ago. My heart rate is now successfully down to 70 BPM (which is still bad for a guy that is 6' 155 pounds).


 


I am extremely worried about my long term health and can't imagine a single way that adderall is good for me in the long run. I am afraid of quitting though, the with drawl will be so hard. I am attending college, have a major in Applied Mathematics and Computer Science as well as Business Administration with minors in Economics and Speech, as well as my job, a girlfriend, involved in my fraternity, student government, and a calculus tutor on campus, I make my own electronic music and in the middle of creating a new social networking website.I don't want to drop any of these activities as I love every one of them. 


 


I have tried quitting before but I loose so much energy and just sleep for horribly long, up to 18 hours at a time for days in a row! It becomes to stressful as the tasks in life pile up and I always go back to adderall to keep my life moving on. 


 


Has anyone quit adderall or know any of their friends that have ? Any bulletproof suggestion how I can regain my life ? 


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  • Damn, any of these serious addictions I immediately think of ayahuasca.

    Holy shit I'm awesome.

  • I used to use be on Adderall and every other Rx there is for ADHD. I also use to be a meth/coke addict and dealer. I have cleaned up from all of this. If you wanna talk about it and how to overcome it, feel free to PM/Message me and I will share some informaiton with you..


    BUTTER TEA

  • MaverickAzzMaverickAzz Powerful

    I wonder what Jason & Ron think about damage to neurotransmitters and how to get them firing again.


    No sorcery, just science. 



  • I wonder what Jason & Ron think about damage to neurotransmitters and how to get them firing again.






     


    I went on antidepressants for a little while to get my mind back right.. As soon as I started feeling level again I went off them.. Now I am working on getting the rest of my things right myself.. Diet, fitness and emotional issue etc....

    BUTTER TEA

  • MaverickAzzMaverickAzz Powerful



     


    I went on antidepressants for a little while to get my mind back right.. As soon as I started feeling level again I went off them.. Now I am working on getting the rest of my things right myself.. Diet, fitness and emotional issue etc....




     


    I've been there, mate.


    Whatever you need, just stick to your bulletproof coffee and intermittent fasting every day. Anything else is optional. I'm finding with the mental health side of things, "he who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." Get a kettlebell. If you're pissed off, work the kettlebell. If you're having a depressed day, work it. If your shoulders and thighs are sore from working it, take some magnesium & serrapeptase, then work it ;)


    ...the emWave helps too, but personally, I just don't find the time to use it - and I'm aware that this is a piss-poor excuse. Maybe it's self-sabotage, as my mind starts to wander and stress over shit when I'm using the emWave. It's like I'm trying to find things to throw off the good work it's doing... but a kettlebell... put it this way, I'm sweating now. I just had a shit day at work, so I got home and gave it a swing for 10 minutes.

    No sorcery, just science. 

  • MaverickAzzMaverickAzz Powerful

    Also, let's run a trial of St John's Wort. It's only a short-term fix, though, so don't think you can take it forever.


     


    First thing in the morning and last thing at night. It should even your day out and help you sleep better. 


    Also, your morning stack can include Rhodiola and Holy Basil. Get yourself some orange "blue blocker" glasses to wear at night too.


     


    The aim here is two-fold. Let's try to even out the mood swings that comes with a depleted neurochemistry AND get you sleeping better so your brain can do it's own repairs. Couple this with BPIF, the green-zone of the diet, and a kettlebell.... you'll be a beast soon enough!


    No sorcery, just science. 

  • PeterFragonPeterFragon DJ Uplift
    edited July 2013

    I would prefer 5-HTP, L-Tyrosine and a little Picimalon 150 for Herbal mind remidies my self..


     


    I have never messed with KettleBells...


    BUTTER TEA

  • Check out the MindAlive site.  They make the OasisPro CES device and have some interesting reports and links to information about using CES to moderating depression as well as a range of other conditions.


     


    I do keep my HeartMath device and a kettle bell handy ;-)


  • Damn, any of these serious addictions I immediately think of ayahuasca.




    I am actually going to Peru and Chile for a 3 week Adventure and looked into ayahuasca. I really think it could be something that could make a difference for me but I am afraid because nobody in my family or my girlfriend would understand. Maybe I just keep it a secret from them and tell them a year down the road once they can see the effects it has on me.
  • Also, let's run a trial of St John's Wort. It's only a short-term fix, though, so don't think you can take it forever.

     

    First thing in the morning and last thing at night. It should even your day out and help you sleep better. 

    Also, your morning stack can include Rhodiola and Holy Basil. Get yourself some orange "blue blocker" glasses to wear at night too.

     

    The aim here is two-fold. Let's try to even out the mood swings that comes with a depleted neurochemistry AND get you sleeping better so your brain can do it's own repairs. Couple this with BPIF, the green-zone of the diet, and a kettlebell.... you'll be a beast soon enough!




    thank you for the advice, I am going to give this a go and see how it works! have you taken St Johns before? If so what purpose did it serve you?
  • Hi guys, I have looked into various techniques for trying to get the brain to change its patterns and have experimented with positive thinking, visualization and various other hacks and methods to get over mental blockages and get to the most balanced state.


     


    So far the fastest and most effective way to get any emotional issue/blockage or problem processed the following as I see it;


    1. Diet - BPD has been by far the biggest contributing factor to keeping me positive for longer. Dave mentions on his blog that the brain uses a lot of energy and cholesterol for energy. Trying to change any behaviour or thinking when you are fatigued and tired is difficult and you are using valuable energy on a high energy computer. When you have low energy levels you go into a protective mode or survival mode. Survival mode is the one with the least amount of thinking and automated behaviour. Have the wrong/poor automotive behaviour and things spiral down incorrectly - (this is a personal opinion on auto behaviour and I need to do more research and testing on this)
    2. Fatigue responses have been tested and extensive training can program actions to a high efficiency level but this requires a lot of repetitive training. This is why special forces train all the time in all conditions as they have to work at high fatigue levels and the training removes a lot of thinking and "baggage" and makes things easier.
    3. Training - choose a task you want to automate, program it in using repetition or any method that works for you when well nourished. Make sure each step is deliberate to the point of becoming an automaton. This is something I learnt in MA training, do it slow and deliberate, repeat and when you have to do it normally the movement is easier and controlled and relaxed and effective.
    4. Rewiring brain patterns - so far to get rid of emotional blocks I have found Tapping or Emotional Freedom Techniques easy to use and effective.I have found some other bits of tips but visualisation works on a temporary basis and trying to force happiness is difficult because you are trying to use energy to change emotion. Remove the block and the emotion changes itself. Its easier and less energy intensive, faster and has longer term success. 

     


    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200307/fight-fatigue-your-fork


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17848042


    http://www.thetappingsolution.com/eft-articles/science-and-the-field-of-eft/


    http://www.military.com/military-fitness/navy-special-operations/mental-toughness


     


    I hope this makes sense and yes physical training and challenges you work towards in work and in sports will develop mental toughness, boost confidence, increase capability and build positive attitude. Each of these items are stepping stones and used in combination will help achieve a goal. Your body is unit and has tremendous capability, I am improving mine which is why BPD works for me as it gives me a roadmap to make life easier and get faster results.


     


    To give an example I have permanent damage to my left hamstrings and glute, I have had to relearn my run and built up capability after both knees came close to being ruined in traditional Aikido training. Its taken 4 years of hard work, training and diet to get to this point where I can do tough mudders and obstacle challenges knowing I will finish and in certain cases do well. Changing to BP diet recently has given me an additional edge and has improved my energy, health and outlook. I am learning over here so hope what I have shared will be useful, if any questions or clarification wanted let me know.

  • edited July 2013

    I did a double post so deleted the content on this one.


  • I took that stuff for 6 months for stupid reasons. I got off it and just took the mood swings. GOOD LUCK TO YOU, DUDE. That stuff is really terrible. My sisters been on it for 4 or 5 years now and shes incurring all sorts of health problems (eye dryness, "chronic fatigue syndrome", the list goes on) that she refuses to actually address is because of the meth. She got on it initially as a (kind of illegal) treatment from an endocrinologist and his theory on water retention and weight gain (for weight loss), and then made it through college and masters with it. She wont get off it.


     


    Her eyes look completely dead and she is nothing like the peppy young kid I remember. Shes 28 now.


     


    I do recommend T-Tapp for exercise to rebuild muscle AND neurokinetic connections. That workout will kick your butt and build your brain.


  • @scarfunkle


    If you end trying Ayahuasca in South American, would you mind posting your experiences on the forum? I have been thinking about going to Peru for a while to try it and I would be really interested in hearing about it.




  • @scarfunkle


    If you end trying Ayahuasca in South American, would you mind posting your experiences on the forum? I have been thinking about going to Peru for a while to try it and I would be really interested in hearing about it.




    Ayahuasca rips your third eye open with a crowbar. I don't recommend it to anyone except mega experienced shamans.

  • I've been making the transformation to become bulletproof over the last 2 months.  Previously i was addicted to adderall, on it or something similar to it for almost 15 years.  I am severely ADHD & Dyslexic, and was heavily medicated to deal with it (60mg XR & 40mg instant each day).  I cut my need for adderall in half just through simply Bproof diet and mental stuff.  I've completely weeded myself off addy through supplementing 100 mg of medafinil.  Try it, no servere side effects.  I went from being completely incapable to function at a high level without adderall to being able to work an 18 hr days as an investment banking without it.  Goodluck brotha,


     


    stay bulletproof


  • I will reply later with more info and more thought but for now I would say to try a large amount of some adaptogenic herbs life holy basil, ashwagandha, gotu kola.

    OrganicIndia.com has the absolute best stuff.

    You can also find their teas at whole foods, alfalfa's etc...

    ~ The Universe goes inward just as much as it goes outward ~

     

  • There are supplements you can take to suppress the symptoms of amphetamine withdrawal. When combined, in high enough doses, they work synergistically and can COMPLETELY suppress all withdrawal symptoms. Some examples are: DL-Phenylalanine, N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine, Mucuna Pruriens Extract, Rhodiola Rosea Extract (you want a high salidroside content > 3%), Schizandra Berry Extract, DMAE or Centrophenoxine, DHEA (to replenish neuro hormone levels), and N-Acetyl Cysteine (which converts to glutathione in vivo).


    N-Acetyl L-Glutamine (a highly absorbable form of Glutamine) can be used to suppress the biological and psychological cravings (if taken in high doses). DHEA, taken in relatively high doses (150mg twice daily for 10-14 days), impairs contextual-fear conditioning, which plays a role in all addictions because of the implicit memory, which has been recorded and stored, deep in the limbic system. The nootropic, Tianeptine, encourages neuroplasticity and neurogenesis (it's like Miracle Gro for your brain).


    These supplements only need to be taken for a short time (usually somewhere around 14 days). They will eliminate ALL of the debilitating withdrawal symptoms, so you can detox in complete comfort and in the privacy of your own home. They also prevent the manifestation of PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome) or protracted withdrawal.


    NutrAction

    www.NutrAction.com
  • RodRod The Rodfather

    Have you done any blood work, any neurotransmitter testing? Have you tried to wean off very slowly? 


    Everything I learned about "biohacking" has been baby steps to "circadian biology", that's where the real biohacking comes in. You can buy a bunch of cool shit to "hack" but if you don't have context, you're not winning. Paleo is just a brand now and too many have opinions, it's on you to read and reread the material to not only find truth but to connect the dots. Much love to everyone who has helped me on my journey for restoring my health, please keep in touch. Feel free to message me with health questions Consultwithrod@live.com 

  • Iboga might also be a good alternative to ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is like a loving mother, while Iboga is the stern father smacking your ass out of anything thats not in alignment with your true self. Use with care :)


     


    Also small doses of Dried Amnita Muscaria might help (be very careful with this though as it is a very potent teacher plant)


     


    EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) Can also be very helpful with addictions. Check it out on youtube, it's free :)


  • My suspicion would be if you have been on it for that long it is not just an addiction. Your body has a dependency and like with any drug your body adapts to a drug over time and develops a dependency and is unable to function properly without it. It can be extremely dangerous to quit without professional help, especially with already having experienced heart problems. Have you tried to taper off on your own?


    I would suggest maybe taking the summer off to start to get your health back on track. It's hard to see beyond all the responsibilities and activities you are involved in, but those things will always be there. If it were me, and I was serious about my health and longevity, I would buckle down and get off the drugs immediately. Good luck to you!


  • This is a really excellent source for what you're going through  http://quittingadderall.com/


     


    I'd say if you're going to quit, don't be in a situation where you need to be yourself because it's NORMAL to be sleeping 18 hours after coming off of that much.


    Age: Early 30s

    Gender: Male

    Body Type:  Ectomorph

    Current Weight:  175lbs/80kg

    Current Diet: Mix between Bulletproof (good fats) and Paleo.   Mostly gluten free, still eat carbs. I feel my body needs them. 

    Current workout:

      Aerobic: 5 times a week- 20-30 minute interval training (Insanity, Trail Running, Interval stationary bike, etc.)

      Strength:  5 X 5 Strong lifts, but one group of muscles a day, 2 days rest.

         Example: Monday:  1 set Squats  Tuesday: 1 set Rows  

     

  • hybridhybrid Cateye vs Isolation
    Take it in steps, you can make it easier by taking transition steps.


    Maybe you could try modafinil for energy as a temporary step, but you ultimately have to learn new ways of performing, and maybe comit to less things. Dont burn yourself out.


    Just be like the guy in limitless and cut the dosages and pump up your health.
  • edited March 2014

    I've researched Adderall extensively and my strategy is the quickest, cheapest, safest and most effective you'll find. Don't try anything else until you do these 4 things:


     


    • Highly absorbable form of magnesium to prevent more excitotoxicity from D-AMP
    • Forskolin to increase D2 receptor density, neurogenesis and vasodilation
    • T-tyrosine on an empty stomach in the morning to give your brain fuel for dopamine and norepinepherine 
    • Iodine supplementation to fix your adrenal glands from the L-AMP

     


    2 weeks of the above strategy will reduce your side effects by up to 70%. You'll be able to wean off much more quickly. 


     


    Long-term ways to feel like you're on Adderall all the time (without the Adderall)


     


    -Exercise


    -Meditation


    -Dual N'Back


     


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  • edited March 2014

    Just take modafinil.  All other ADD/ADHD meds are a joke in comparison.


     


    I've taken adderall, ritalin, street meth, and d-ampthetamine.


     


    Modafinil is all the good, and more, without the bad. Seriously. 


     


    Also, is 70 BPM high? That is in the normal range. If you don't exercise you should start. That will get your resting heart rate down. When I played soccer all the time mine was in the 50's. It's about 60 as I measure it right now. I'm 5'11 180 lbs.


  • I quit the anti depressant Lexapro with the help of a CES device. Its made by Sota and its called Bio Tuner. I had horrible withdrawal symptoms and after many times trying to quit I just couldn't. I read up on CES and got the device. Long story short. I quit cold turkey with  zero side effects!


     


    I take Gabapentin for anxiety and Adderall xr and instant release now... I'm starting on the bulletproof diet to depend less on medication. I would say go slow, and go steady and you'll be ok. 


     


    Also get some bloodwork done. 


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