Cannabis And Hrv

I was just listening to the latest podcast and thought it was interesting hearing them talk about this. I have 2 friends who I've let use my emwave and both of them seem to have good luck with raising their coherence after vaporizing. Almost without fail, whenever they'd take a hit, the light on the emwave turns green (and of course the fact that its green results in all sort of puns). One of them tended to cough more than the other and of course that would lead to immediate low-coherence, followed by returning to high (another great pun) coherence. 


 


I wonder how other substances affect coherence. What does alcohol do to HRV?


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  • RodRod The Rodfather

    How long can they stay in coherence? 


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  • its just been a couple times, but one of them stayed in the green at the low challenge level for about 15 min. the other one stayed in the green except after coughing for about 5 min. or so. i didn't save the data since i don't have the desktop version where you can have multiple users....one of these days i might have to upgrade. 


  • RodRod The Rodfather

    Yea, it's all good about the data, that's cool! I'm thinking about using THC but idk, I already have brain fog and lots of jacked up symptoms, I don't want to make anything worse. I might bring it up to my doctor see what he thinks.   


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  • If you have legal access to it, go for high CBD strains, or CBD extracts, or even eating/juicing raw marijuana. It won't affect you in the same manner as a strain with a high THC content, and eating raw marijuana is non-psychoactive.


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    Time to take out my old pipe then, unused for years :D Who would have thought...


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  • hzahza ✭✭

    Hearing the podcast, it got me wondering if mycotoxins might have been to blame for the reaction that guy had.  130 bpm for 3 hours to me is an indication that something beyond just the normal thc effect is taking place.  Makes sense that weed could get damp, mold up a little bit, or dirty pipe, etc, lots of ways for toxins to form.


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    If you have legal access to it, go for high CBD strains, or CBD extracts, or even eating/juicing raw marijuana. It won't affect you in the same manner as a strain with a high THC content, and eating raw marijuana is non-psychoactive.




     


     


    I just hit up our local dispensary and inquired, in the mean time, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cannabis-Oil-RSHO-Real-Scientific-Hemp-Oil-One-3-Gram-Tube-SUBMIT-BEST-OFFER-/261280694892?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd58b026c

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  • which podcast was this? was it the one where dave was answering questions and one was 'is weed bulletproof' . i think he went on to say somthing like weed sends you into an alpha wave state but if your trying to make personal changes you should avoid weed because it inhibits change on any longterm basis . does any one know what im talking about or have links and info about this?


  • I plan to do experiments on the effects of caffeine, piracetam and CILTEP on HRV using HeartMath and HRVsense technology.  I'd love to do tests with THC as well, but I'd need to think about the best way to set that up so as not to interfere with my daily functioning too much.  I'm also still thinking through what data I'd collect and how I'd represent it.  If anybody wants to collaborate on this with me, contact me privately and we can discuss.


  • THC can have a profound effect on HRV. Using only tincture extract in a vaporizing pen (least amount of substance needs to be inhaled with the greatest effect) immediately will put you into high coherence. The problem comes from the age old tale of paranoia, if you have something to worry about (such as the illegality of the substance itself) it can very, very quickly throw you out of coherence. That being said THC can be a powerful tool for HRV, meditation, creativity and simply a great de-stresser when used correctly. I am excited to see Colorado legalizing not just because I would love to vacation there  :cool: but because I think a lot of great research will come out of the state. I think THC use, despite new vaporizing technologies, is very much in its infancy.


  • What about cannabidol? It doesn't contain THC, but it's said to be effective.


     


    I'm really going to look into getting a medical marijuana card soon.




    THC can have a profound effect on HRV. Using only tincture extract in a vaporizing pen (least amount of substance needs to be inhaled with the greatest effect) immediately will put you into high coherence. The problem comes from the age old tale of paranoia, if you have something to worry about (such as the illegality of the substance itself) it can very, very quickly throw you out of coherence. That being said THC can be a powerful tool for HRV, meditation, creativity and simply a great de-stresser when used correctly. I am excited to see Colorado legalizing not just because I would love to vacation there  :cool: but because I think a lot of great research will come out of the state. I think THC use, despite new vaporizing technologies, is very much in its infancy.



  • To take an effective dose, you would have to down a quarter of the bottle.  That is going to get expensive!  Here is a more cost effective product that is on amazon:


     


    http://www.amazon.com/Cibdex-CBD-Capsules-25mg-each/dp/B00HWKZ8VC/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&d


     


    There has got to be cheaper stuff yet in some of the California dispensaries.  Let us know when you get your paperwork sorted.


  • are you sure that is legitimate cbd? i wouldn't think they could ship that unless it was from one medicinal state to another and you would need a card...if it IS legit...wow. cure for cancer up for sale on amazon?!


  • Right now, the FDA is in flux with CBD.  It is currently unregulated as long as it contains zero THC.  At four hundred dollars a month, it is a very expensive supplement.  I wonder if it is any cheaper in California or Colorado.


  • ACH85ACH85 ✭✭

    I have a friend living in CA who never smoked pot in college, but is currently using high-CBD strains for an anxiety disorder under doctor supervision. He isn't buying pure CBD supplements, but there are strains like Charlotte's Web that are so low-THC that you really don't get high. I believe the amounts he's using would be a lot less than $400/month - but again, anxiety, not cancer. 


     


    This guy has two masters in technical fields, and I trust his research. He's come to the conclusion that while CBD is the active ingredient he's after, keeping it in the plant and vaporizing or smoking has synergistic effects from other (non-THC) cannabinoids. Seems to me that the driving force behind a lot of these capsules and tinctures is to seem more legitimate than smoking, but it may not be as effective. 


  • SystemSystem mod
    edited March 2014

    I don't know if it's legit. Is there any way of knowing?


     


    I'm wary of buying from eBay at times because you're forced to take what a complete stranger says as gospel. We're not dealing with big organizations but, rather, individuals.


     


    There's a bunch of people on eBay selling "grass-fed" products. How do we know they're truly grass-fed, though? They have every reason to lie, as doing so will yield them more bids/buyers.


     


     


    edit: Wait. Was your post directed at me or Hooper?




    are you sure that is legitimate cbd? i wouldn't think they could ship that unless it was from one medicinal state to another and you would need a card...if it IS legit...wow. cure for cancer up for sale on amazon?!





  • I don't know if it's legit. Is there any way of knowing?


     


    I'm wary of buying from eBay at times because you're forced to take what a complete stranger says as gospel. We're not dealing with big organizations but, rather, individuals.


     


    There's a bunch of people on eBay selling "grass-fed" products. How do we know they're truly grass-fed, though? They have every reason to lie, as doing so will yield them more bids/buyers.


     


     


    edit: Wait. Was your post directed at me or Hooper?






     


    both of you actually. someone i know who is pretty knowledgeable about this stuff thinks that the stuff you guys linked is probably legit (he's a lawyer and does a lot for the medical movement). if you wanted to know for sure you'd (like with upgraded products!) have to have it tested. i'm sure there are facilities in colorado or the west coast that could do that. or, give it to someone with cancer and see if they are completely healed! 


     


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  • SystemSystem mod
    edited March 2014

    Drummin, I'm not interested in cannabinoid for its "cancer healing" benefits. I don't believe that rubbish.


     


    I'm more interested in whether or not it can help with HRV.


     




     


  • thats cool. i dunno if CBD would do much for you then, i don't think its acute effects are that noticeable but i could be wrong. 


     


    as far as that cancer treatment rubbish, someone i know surprised his doctors by recovering from stage 4 metastatic kidney cancer with CBD oil. placebo? coincidence?  maybe. regardless, seems to be working for a lot of people. 


  • The amazon/ebay CBD products might actually be real. There's been some big changes in hemp legislation recently, and I've been to trade shows where companies were showcasing CBD electronic cigarettes and lotions that they are planning to take national with a multi-level marketing scheme or something like that.


     


    But that doesn't necessarily mean that these are worth a try. People rarely ask how THC or CBD ends up in these products, and whether or not the way that these compounds have been extracted has an effect on bioavailability and medical efficacy. 


     


    What I've been observing is that the mass-produced solvent-based extracts that are extremely popular with modern cannabis consumers is that they get a hard knock in the head from it then start to spiral down immediately.


    When people smoke plain old grass they still get that knock in the head but then something else usually happens a little while later and they get a second high from it.


    They are affected more by something less concentrated.  What's going on here?


     


    I'm hypothesizing that it's a lot like what happens with synthetic thyroid hormones like prednisone. The drug matches the receptor site and has a very dramatic effect, but the drug also wreck the body's ability to produce its' own hormones. Then the patient either fall into a vicious cycle with these drugs, or they do some biohacking and pursue some kind of natural thyroid support that can restore their health.


     


    I think it's the same with cheap chemically extracted cannabinoids. They can still flood the CB1/2 receptor sites and can probably treat cancer conditions because of this, but there's a price a person pays for going this route.


    They are not restoring their body's ability to produce endocannabinoids the same way that they would be by ingesting naturally isolated THC and CBD.


     


    For the most part though, no one cares about what happens to people who are using a black market commodity. There's a big camp of people only really care about getting inebriated and another big camp that thinks they are disgusting and I haven't seen much gray area in this field.


  • edited March 2014

    What did you use to test them? Vaporized what? Leaf, buds, kif, oil...  I'm interested in how chemically extracted THC affects HRV vs. how natural THC does.


     


     




    I was just listening to the latest podcast and thought it was interesting hearing them talk about this. I have 2 friends who I've let use my emwave and both of them seem to have good luck with raising their coherence after vaporizing. Almost without fail, whenever they'd take a hit, the light on the emwave turns green (and of course the fact that its green results in all sort of puns). One of them tended to cough more than the other and of course that would lead to immediate low-coherence, followed by returning to high (another great pun) coherence. 


     


    I wonder how other substances affect coherence. What does alcohol do to HRV?



  • I've done a good bit of experimentation with HRV. This is what typically happens upon vaporizing marihuana with a Arizer V-tower: HRV crashes within minutes of intoxication, accompanied by an increase of heart rate from, say,  60 to 76. The low HRV persists for a couple of hours. In a typical experiment, RMSSD (a measure of HRV) declines from 180 to 35 from the half hour prior to the half hour after intoxication. It’s fair to interpret this as a physiological stress reaction, in quantitative terms comparable to a shift from sitting relaxed to moderate exercise.  One can only speculate whether the stress response is caused by the THC, or a psychological reaction like anxiety to the intoxication, or maybe even the unnatural breathing pattern. Some Dutch researchers did a larger experiement using pure THC (https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/12869/05.pdf?) among some test subjects with a history of mild cannabis use and also found an average increase in heart rate and (modest) fall in HRV. So, typically cannabis intoxication would be 'bad' for your HRV, though I'd love to hear of any exceptions.


     


    It’s hard to say anything with only a single subject on whether there are any HRV effects lasting beyond the initial intoxication. In my case the test subject is an almost daily cannabis user and yet has an extremely high resting HRV. The most likely explanation for the high baseline is a healthy lifestyle and frequent high intensity exercise, but who knows cannabis may play a beneficial role. At the least it shows that one can use cannabis almost daily and still have a very high HRV baseline.


     


    In reply to drumminangoleiro's  experiment on coherence, I'd say that many meaures of HRV, especially coherence is very influenced by breathing pattern. I imagine smoking or sucking on a vaporizer invariably changes the breathing pattern, though the way it changes depends on the person. I bet your friend breathed in the vapor with a relatively deep and relaxed breathing pattern favorable to coherence. 


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  • Quite a qustionable topic

  • googlealchemistgooglealchemist Alchemist

    Old thread but wanted to note, in case it pops up for anyone else like it did me searching for whatever...

    Not sure what you mean by 'raw' exactly? But eating MJ is most certainly psychoactive...wouldn't want someone making a huge salad of it thinking nothings going to happen!

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    If you have legal access to it, go for high CBD strains, or CBD extracts, or even eating/juicing raw marijuana. It won't affect you in the same manner as a strain with a high THC content, and eating raw marijuana is non-psychoactive.

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