On Bp Intermitent Fasting

I was thinking, I'm getting good results on the BP Intermittent Fasting, I started about 5 weeks ago and lost about 4kg (8lbs), but Id like to speed it up a little more.



Would cutting the amount of Butter in the BPC help with Fat burn, as my body will have to switch to body fat sooner?



Or how about just having coffee with MCT Oil. As MCT oil is supposed to push you into ketosis I could be burning fat straight away from morning to when I break the fast.



Anyone experimented with this?





Cheers



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  • Hey mate



    Yes - I 've tried this.



    Started with 70g of butter and now down to 30g. I did this gradually and still feel full for the same amount of time so I guess my body is using more bodyfat.



    I did try dropping the butter completely but I got too damn hungry!



    Let me know how you get on bud.
  • Cool,



    I've just dropped my butter/ghee from 50g to 25g.



    So I'll see how my body reacts over the next couple weeks, its been 4 hours and I'm feeling pretty much the same as when I have the 50g, I usually get hungry around 1pm with the 50g so well see what happens in an hour.



    Ill keep this updated.



    Cheers





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  • Hey mate



    Just a quick update.



    I follow a ketogenic diet for five days and then have a carb re-feed on day 6 (which takes me out of ketosis).



    I've noticed that it takes me much longer to get back in to ketosis now that I have dropped the quantity of butter in my BPC (I have a blood monitor which measures my ketones).



    I am therefore going to increase my butter consumption at the beginning of the week and then taper it off as I get into ketosis.



    I'll keep checking my bloods and see what happens.



    Hope you're getting on well.



    Cheers



    Paul
  • 'Paul wrote:


    Hey mate



    Just a quick update.



    I follow a ketogenic diet for five days and then have a carb re-feed on day 6 (which takes me out of ketosis).



    I've noticed that it takes me much longer to get back in to ketosis now that I have dropped the quantity of butter in my BPC (I have a blood monitor which measures my ketones).



    I am therefore going to increase my butter consumption at the beginning of the week and then taper it off as I get into ketosis.



    I'll keep checking my bloods and see what happens.



    Hope you're getting on well.



    Cheers



    Paul




    Whats this blood monitor, you got a link?



    Today I had the Usual MCT Coffe and 25g of Ghee.



    I rode my bike to work instead of my usual public transport to get ready to avoid the London Olympic carnage, I think if I'm gonna ride the bike I might need to hit some more MCT and at least butter when I get to work to give me a little energy kick, I feel my head is a bit funny, I'm not sure if its due to the bike ride rush, or low energy, I took some caffeine when I got to work as well so it might be that?



    Ill test out tomorrow with MCT at work and some butter.



    Cheers



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  • 'Goran wrote:


    Whats this blood monitor, you got a link?



    Today I had the Usual MCT Coffe and 25g of Ghee.



    I rode my bike to work instead of my usual public transport to get ready to avoid the London Olympic carnage, I think if I'm gonna ride the bike I might need to hit some more MCT and at least butter when I get to work to give me a little energy kick, I feel my head is a bit funny, I'm not sure if its due to the bike ride rush, or low energy, I took some caffeine when I got to work as well so it might be that?



    Ill test out tomorrow with MCT at work and some butter.



    Cheers



    G




    Its been 8 hours since I got in the office this morning after my bike ride, and my head is fine, i guess the funny feeling was the rush from the bike, my energy levels have not been low at all!



    Willl keep up with the 25g of ghee in my bulletproof coffee!
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  • Have you not eaten anything all day then?



    You can get the blood monitor from http://www.simplicityhealth.co.uk/blood-glucose-monitor-optium.asp. It's only £15 and comes with 10 lancets and 10 glucose test strips. However, you have to buy the ketone test strips separately and they're expensive - about £30 for ten strips (unless you have a diabetic friend who can get them free on prescription!).



    Alternatively you can get some Ketostix which you pee on, but they're not as accurate http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ketostix-Reagent-Strips-Ketone-strips/dp/B000V3IV3O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343070603&sr=8-1. Much cheaper though - 50 test strips for £5.



    Laters



    Paul
  • 'Paul wrote:


    Have you not eaten anything all day then?



    You can get the blood monitor from http://www.simplicit...itor-optium.asp. It's only £15 and comes with 10 lancets and 10 glucose test strips. However, you have to buy the ketone test strips separately and they're expensive - about £30 for ten strips (unless you have a diabetic friend who can get them free on prescription!).



    Alternatively you can get some Ketostix which you pee on, but they're not as accurate http://www.amazon.co...43070603&sr=8-1. Much cheaper though - 50 test strips for £5.



    Laters



    Paul






    I eat the BPC in the morning around 8am with the MCT and 25g Ghee, then I don't eat anything till the evening around 7-8pm where I eat primal/paleo style, throw in a100g Ghee Proteinshake at some point, had BBQ last night cos of the awesome weather, will probably be having BBQ tonight as well.



    Been doing this for about 6 weeks now including fasted workouts and I've been getting good results, initially lost 4kg from (I had been bulking and gained a lot of fat) and now I'm not loosing weight as fast, I believe my muscle gain and fat loss have balanced each other in speed as I'm getting cut but weighing the same!
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  • Glad you're getting some good results. Do you have any idea of how many calories you consume each day?



    If I don't eat until the evening, apart from being ravenous, I would struggle to consume enough calories in my evening meal. For my current bodyweight, my daily maintenance calories should be about 3100. I probably only manage about 2500. My BPC is about 450 calories so I would then have to consume at least 2000 calories in my evening meal.



    I'm beginning to wonder whether to continue with the intermittent fasting or not. I train really hard with heavy weight and when I wake up in the morning, it just doesn't seem right that I'm not feeding my muscles straight away. I know that fasting increases growth hormone levels but still feel like I am inhibiting protein synthesis for the whole day.
  • Hi Paul,


    'Paul wrote:




    I'm beginning to wonder whether to continue with the intermittent fasting or not. I train really hard with heavy weight and when I wake up in the morning, it just doesn't seem right that I'm not feeding my muscles straight away. I know that fasting increases growth hormone levels but still feel like I am inhibiting protein synthesis for the whole day.


    Look into Carb Back-Loading by John Kiefer. Kiefer participated in a podcast not too long ago. I believe that diet/weight-lifting regimen would fit in nicely with your intermittent fasting. He explains all of the science when you should work out, when you should not eat, eat Paleo, and then eat simple carbs. I haven't started it yet, but I've seen a lot of positive reviews from serious bodybuilders in various forums.
  • 'Paul wrote:


    Glad you're getting some good results. Do you have any idea of how many calories you consume each day?



    If I don't eat until the evening, apart from being ravenous, I would struggle to consume enough calories in my evening meal. For my current bodyweight, my daily maintenance calories should be about 3100. I probably only manage about 2500. My BPC is about 450 calories so I would then have to consume at least 2000 calories in my evening meal.



    I'm beginning to wonder whether to continue with the intermittent fasting or not. I train really hard with heavy weight and when I wake up in the morning, it just doesn't seem right that I'm not feeding my muscles straight away. I know that fasting increases growth hormone levels but still feel like I am inhibiting protein synthesis for the whole day.






    Yes I agree, its really hard to eat a lot in the evening, I feel I am overeating at times! My estimates on calories is about 1500 - 2000, I know my maintenance for my height and body weight is somewhere around 3000 (estimate).



    Breakdown: BPC in the morn (250-400 Cal), eat nothing till the evening, at around 7pm I hit a protein shake with 100g Ghee and 40g Protein about (1000 Cal), Eat dinner whatever it is about 300-500 cals probably, then I sometimes hit another 50g Ghee and 40g protein shake before bed (500 cal), this one can tip me over the edge, I've had to get up out of bed and hurl a couple times as my stomach has shrunk over the last 5 weeks and I couldn't keep it down annoyingly.



    But I figure during my fast I'm burning body fat for fuel, and that's gotta be at least 500 cals if not more through out the day right?



    I don't really feel hungry even when I'm ready to break the fast, it seems my body totally gets into the rhythm of body fat usage, even after riding the bike for 30 minutes (at a relaxed pace) to and back from work.



    I assume to burn fat you need to consume an insufficiency amount of calories which your body fat will cover

    (fat burn), there's no point of consuming my maintenance level of calories orally if I want to burn body fat. (Is my thinking correct here?)



    The only reason Im really doing the IF is to cut down my Body Fat Percentage, as soon as I am happy with it, I will be stopping the IF or shortening the IF window making the eating windown bigger so I can consume an influx of calories for muscle build but keep the benifit of fasting for the growth hormone, since I cannot workout till about 7-8pm, I might break the fast in the morn with a BPC Protein shake, start fasting at noon with a bit of Ghee and MCT to kick me off and eat again after workout.
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  • Sounds like a plan. And yes, I agree, it seems counterintuitive to consume your maintnenance level of calories whn you are trying to burn body fat. I normally leave a deficit of 600 calories and hope that I burn body fat (rather than muscle!). What body fat percentage are you hoping to reach - how are you measuring it?



    And thanks DRD224 - I'm going to look in to the carb back loading thing. I don't like my muscles being flat all the time due to the lack of glycogen.
  • Interesting thread guys. Out of interest, are you guys still trying to lose a lot of fat?

    I'm going to do my second Rapid Fat Loss Protocol tomorrow, hope I can make another 5 days. Then again, I might soon switch to a ketogenic diet with weekly carb refeeds, as Paul does. About 10kg to lose here and I'll soon need to see what works for me in terms of exercise (currently just doing sprints once a week and kettlebells twice a week) and putting on muscle.
  • 'Paul wrote:


    Sounds like a plan. And yes, I agree, it seems counterintuitive to consume your maintnenance level of calories whn you are trying to burn body fat. I normally leave a deficit of 600 calories and hope that I burn body fat (rather than muscle!). What body fat percentage are you hoping to reach - how are you measuring it?



    And thanks DRD224 - I'm going to look in to the carb back loading thing. I don't like my muscles being flat all the time due to the lack of glycogen.




    I've been thinking of looking into that myself as well, looks interesting.






    Interesting thread guys. Out of interest, are you guys still trying to lose a lot of fat?

    I'm going to do my second Rapid Fat Loss Protocol tomorrow, hope I can make another 5 days. Then again, I might soon switch to a ketogenic diet with weekly carb refeeds, as Paul does. About 10kg to lose here and I'll soon need to see what works for me in terms of exercise (currently just doing sprints once a week and kettlebells twice a week) and putting on muscle.




    Ive been trying to loose fat for the past 6-7 weeks, lost 4 kg, I don't have much left to loose any more so I think I'm gonna go into bulking in August for a few months then switch back to fat loss again.



    Ill probably still be doing some form of IF but something that allows me to consume more calories and protein, Ill be using the IF just to produce the growth hormone increase Leangains style, incorporating carb re-feed on a non workout day. Still gotta sit down and work out an eating schedule as I can only work out in the evenings. My workout is pretty much based on musclehack.com / Body By Science style, Ive had great results on this!
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  • Cheers for the musclehack link G; just downloaded the THT e-book, I'll give it a read.
  • Does anyone know the location of the podcast with the guy that talks about carb refeed?
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