Coffee - Need Something Darker Than Bp (Yeah Yeah I Know)

Hello


 


I know I know.  Dave roasts his coffee to a light roast because it's better for you and he believes coffee connoisseurs like it that way as well.  Well yeah I don't much care.  For my wife and me, and others, I've seen on the forum it just lacks true coffee flavor.  If it wasn't for the drinking it for it's other properties, I frankly wouldn't at all.  It just doesn't taste pleasant on its own, as I concluded when I first got some and brewed it and tasted it before blending with MCT oil and butter.  


 


So the pursuit is on.... I need a darker roast that meets the criteria at least well enough.  I could have sworn I heard Dave said he was going to produce one but it's not there as of today and I need to order soon.  


 


Any recommendations that people have tried?


 


Thanks


Sam


Comments

  • You can intensify the coffee flavor by adding a few shots of kahlua. 


  • What city do you live in? I've followed Dave's protocol for finding clean coffee when I'm out of Upgraded and it's worked. Seattle Coffee Works actually has several single origin washed varieties, some of which are a darker roast, but I don't think they ship. Anyway, try it in your city. http://www.bulletproofexec.com/3-steps-to-finding-the-highest-performance-coffee-in-your-city/


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  • Dave has admitted that he sacrificed taste for performance. So...really, its up to you. If you can sacrifice some performance, use his strategies to find coffee in your city that follows most rules. This diet is not all or nothing...its more being informed and making decisions that work for you. We all have our vices and we are all human. Here in my town, a good cup of phil and sebastien coffee is worth the performance drop on the weekends...mind you I still take my butter/oil in my thermos to add the coffee to and shake the hell out of it. People must think I am mad! 


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  • Oh, I have to wonder what everyone says about me at work behind my back! Hahahaha. I reuse glass GT Kombucha bottles to shake my coffee in, so you can see what's in it. I'm sick of explaining that butter doesn't make you fat...now I'm just like "yeah I don't know, I have amazing genetics!"


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  • I use a high quality, single sourced dark roast. I have 1-2 cups a day, and drink it black, not BP. I dont get the jitters, the brain fog, or the crash some claim comes from (normal) coffee. I am not concerned about mycotoxins in my coffee, as I feel this is a topic that is greatly blown out of proportion.
  • I think there are some individuals more reactive to mycotoxins...since many parts of the world actually put limits on how much a product(esp coffee) can contain, there has to be truth in that it exists and is detrimental to people. Problem comes in with the countries(USA...and I assume Canada) don't have a legal limitation set...so we get the higher mycotoxin coffee. I am sure not all coffee is like that (good single origin washed, etc) esp following daves suggestions. Really, I think the mainstream drinker of coffee at home (folgers, etc) is getting the brunt of the toxins. there is a reason I never even liked the smell of those types of coffee, let alone drink them.


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  • I agree on 90% of this stuff which is pretty much why I'm hunting for lower mycotoxin coffee.  I'm not about to go crazy and suffer with the in my opinion bad taste of bp coffee to do so but I'd like to limit my intake of mycotoxins by avoiding the known offenders.  Ideally I'd like to order the coffee online rather than run around looking for coffee the way Dave suggests in that post which I've read before.  There has to be quality online vendors which people here have used.


  • I honestly think if you buy bags of whole beans and grind your own you will be fine. Its the pre ground stuff where the shit beans are used. Buy any single source, whole bean and you shouldnt have an issue. No one else tests but Dave (apparently) so we would all be guessing at best. Me personally I felt no difference between store bought dark roast (kicking horse) and daves upgraded.
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    I honestly think if you buy bags of whole beans and grind your own you will be fine. Its the pre ground stuff where the shit beans are used. Buy any single source, whole bean and you shouldnt have an issue. No one else tests but Dave (apparently) so we would all be guessing at best. Me personally I felt no difference between store bought dark roast (kicking horse) and daves upgraded.




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    Actually many companies and countries do testing on coffee....just not in the USA. It is mandatory in parts of europe who have a level of mycotoxin(ochratoxin) allowance, if its over they do not bring the coffee in as an import.


     


    http://vicam.com/regulations-europe


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  • I understand that, but for us in Canada and the USA there is no testing. I still feel we are pretty safe with whole beans, and other that Daves own small sample studies I have seen very little evidence to show otherwise. Trying Daves upgraded coffee I found zero difference in how I felt after drinking it. Other than not tasting as good, it was just another whole bean coffee imo.
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    I agree...the good coffee I can get from my local shop which meets all requirements...tastes better and has the same performance. However, it is way more expensive than daves even with the outlandish shipping to canada! So...I also sacrifice taste...on the weekdays! I think the whole beans found on most grocery shelves is a bit different...even the whole foods type stores.


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  • When you put coffee, butter and MCT oil in your Thermos, you can pop in one of those stainless steel, spiral "balls" to emulsify things better.  Less shaking involved. 


  • I need to find a tiny one of those...great idea. I never would have thought about that! TY


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  • Only in Alberta eh!


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