Help With Injured Knee

About a year ago i hurt my knee training jiu jitsu, after 7 month with swelling and no signs of recovery i started the bp diet, i saw immediate results, the swelling went down and it felt like new.


Yesterday i decided to give it a try again and i went down to the gym. My first roll was good, i felt great, like i never left the gym.


Second roll started awesome , i pulled a triangle and transition to omoplata, i was holding my leg to bring his shoulder down and thats when he sliped  and i pulled my lower leg sideways , hurting my knee again ( i know, i know , if i had him tight with the right technique it would have been avoided).


I tried to keep going but my knee was too weak.


 


When i got home i put some ice and elevate, ibuprofen and i took some upgraded collagen. 


 


 


Is there anything else i can do to help my recovery ?


 


BTW i think im done with BJJ , cant afford 20k surgery with no insurance.


Comments

  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭

    I've got my 4th knee op soon, had issues for 12 years now. What sort of thing are you looking for, do you know what the damage actually is?


    Katolotus

    MMA Fighter

     

    SUCCESS: A lot of little things done well



  • I've got my 4th knee op soon, had issues for 12 years now. What sort of thing are you looking for, do you know what the damage actually is?




     


    Unfortunately i dont have medical insurance so i never got it checked out. The first time it happened i was sitting on my opponent stomach with my leg across his chest ( a variation of  knee on belly ) and i made a bad movement and  it popped very loud , no pain at the moment but scared the crap out of me . Once the swelling began , the pain was located on the outside of my left knee , i could walk with no pain but the side movement was very painful.


     


    This time is not that bad and i can walk and move my leg normal but when i rotate and put a little side pressure i feel it , not a killer pain but lets you know is there.


    I just wanted to know if there is something i can do to healed faster, i mean something reasonable , i cant get an oxygen chamber or anything a professional athlete would have access to. 


     


    Thanks you

  • YOu might want to look into body rolling. www.yamunabodyrolling.com. very lengthy to explain but Yamuna has been teaching her technique for years and by using a variety of smaller, inflatable balls, not lacrosse balls, one can work every area of the body. I have seen backs with scoliosis straighten on the ball or people who need hip replacements able to postpone them for several years. She also has denser balls which are great for spine and ab work and specific videos you can order for a body area and order the balls particular to that area. My stepdaughter had torn abdominal muscles after her last boy, a whopper over 10 pounds and her doc told her to live with the pooch. I bought her the abdominal video and balls and she was able to heal the torn muscles, even women who go through c section can have a similar occurance. I find it more effective than the pilates foam roller because the fact that it is a ball means it can actually trace every muscle very specifically. Also on the site you might be able to find a teacher or therapist who could get you started hands on for a session or two then it is so intuitive you can practice on your own. wish you luck
  • StevoStevo Upgrade in Progress

    Can you make your way to Canada to take advantage of their medical system?


    I guess they might have thought of that. Not sure of the rules. Sucks not to have socialised basic medicine!




  • Can you make your way to Canada to take advantage of their medical system?


    I guess they might have thought of that. Not sure of the rules. Sucks not to have socialised basic medicine!




    hahah i wish it was that easy, im originally from Uruguay and we do have free health care. i havent been back in 13 years ,  i guess thats a good excuse 

  • You need to start doing squats, a lot of injuries do not heal without active recovery, and if you were doing squats all of those months you might have avoided another injury.




  • You need to start doing squats, a lot of injuries do not heal without active recovery, and if you were doing squats all of those months you might have avoided another injury.




     


     


    Before i got hurt the second time , i was doing a lot of kettle bells work outs, including squats. im gonna give it a few weeks to start again. Thanx for the help Desp

  • I had heard that Hindu squats are good for strengthening the knees.  Rogan I believe does 200 to begin his workout, powerful!


  • Unfortunately a lot of people on this forum haven't been exposed to this simple fact, but in order to achieve results one needs to progress using linear progression and HEAVY weights - using proper form. 


     


    I'm sure the recommendation of the vibe plate has it's place, and kettle bells, and all of this other foo foo stuff, but nothing can replace a heavy barbell on your back, so heavy you can only squat it 5 times...


     


    Worth a read - http://startingstrength.com/articles/brian_jones_story.pdf


  • HazakinsHazakins Graveyard shift putting me in the Grave!

    I just looked up Hindu squats. Tracking those knees so far over the toes makes me cringe in pain. 


    I also suffer form poor mobility and knee pain.


    Foam roller/ box squats/ sumo deadlifts have helped a bunch.


     


    I'm looking into Kelly Starett's Voodoo floss, anyone tried this?


    Trying to get a grasp on Ketosis? Watch this!

  • I strongly reccomended an earthing product like this for faster recovery.


    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009YYXKR8/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1374464887&sr=8-1&pi=SL75
  • Bummer about the knee! I had a knee injury too when I was playing soccer in Sweden last year and found an interesting differences in their views regarding icing injuries. The physiotherapists there said maybe a little initial ice was ok BUT they did not ice injuries like we do here.


     


    There's been some supporting research/statements (1, 2) stating that icing in fact inhibits the body's natural ability to heal because it does not allow helpful things like white blood cells to enter the site while also blocking fluid from leaving the site.


     


    I've stopped using ibuprofen or other NSAID's as well as there are detrimental effects on the kidney for example, maybe the liver as well; better to take natural anti-inflammatories instead.


    All the best!


  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭

    I'm not a doctor or a medical professional, but........ ;-)


     


    Sounds like it might be an ACL tear and maybe some cartilage damage. Stuff like that won't repair, you'll need surgery to fix it back to normal. You might get away with strengthen around the area, but you'll still run into problems with certain movements and you'll still get some pain. Also it might speed up forms of arthritis.


     


    How old are you, what you weight?


     


    I'd go to Canada or save up for an MRI. Unless you're an old man and not worried about being too athletic and can work your life around it.


     


     


    I'm not a doctor or a medical professional


    Katolotus

    MMA Fighter

     

    SUCCESS: A lot of little things done well



  • Bummer about the knee! I had a knee injury too when I was playing soccer in Sweden last year and found an interesting differences in their views regarding icing injuries. The physiotherapists there said maybe a little initial ice was ok BUT they did not ice injuries like we do here.


     


    There's been some supporting research/statements (1, 2) stating that icing in fact inhibits the body's natural ability to heal because it does not allow helpful things like white blood cells to enter the site while also blocking fluid from leaving the site.


     


    I've stopped using ibuprofen or other NSAID's as well as there are detrimental effects on the kidney for example, maybe the liver as well; better to take natural anti-inflammatories instead.


    All the best!




    Thanx man, i did put ice and ibuprofen the first 2 days and stopped after that , i dont like to take pills really. the Swelling went down really quick and ive no pain, i tried squats yesterday with no weight, it seams fine.


    I just know that jiu jitsu is out of my limits for now.


     


     


     


     




    I'm not a doctor or a medical professional, but........ :wink:


     


    Sounds like it might be an ACL tear and maybe some cartilage damage. Stuff like that won't repair, you'll need surgery to fix it back to normal. You might get away with strengthen around the area, but you'll still run into problems with certain movements and you'll still get some pain. Also it might speed up forms of arthritis.


     


    How old are you, what you weight?


     


    I'd go to Canada or save up for an MRI. Unless you're an old man and not worried about being too athletic and can work your life around it.


     


     


    I'm not a doctor or a medical professional




    Im 33 and 220lbs 5'11 (183 cm ), ive been thinking the same thing ACL and cartilage damage, im hoping collagen will help rebuild the cartilage faster but im afraid that there is some loose pieces floating in there. 

  • I've done bjj for almost 10 years and I have suffered from dislocated patelle in both knees constantly after a few years from training. I hurt it doing dumb drunk shit outside of training like jumping off stuff that was way to HIGH for me to be jumping off. My knees used to always fuck up when I threw on triangles and I was always taught to static stretch before rolling and lifting. I stopped all that non sense and now warm up with lots of body squats push ups and jumping jacks. My knee now feels great! Stop all the static stretching before hand and warm up with some plyos... outside of that things I've done that I've seen that really help are adding more fat to my diet and specific excercises to strengthen the muscle around my patella.


     


    I'll lay on my back and raise my leg, one a time for 50 reps each, then do 20 body squats and then 20 more body squats on one of those half excercise balls upside down and conentrate on balance. Then I will finish off with lots of lunges and more body squats, I do that once or twice a week after my lifting and it has really really helped. Like I said the biggest problems my knees have in BJJ are knee on belly, butterfly and triangles... Just build your knee up and if you have to change your GAME! It really helped me to switch my game to work around my knee problems and now that my knee is back almost 100 I have a whole to set of options to throw around at my oppenents!


     


    Hope this helps!


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