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    I've come late to this party, but I thought I'd add a couple of thoughts for future consideration:


     


    Hapkido --  Historically the Korean Royal Martial Art, its modern version includes much of the key philosophy and dynamic sphere techniques of Akido, as well as striking, grappling, pinning, throwing, and weapons techniques, constant attack, combat and meditative  (similar to Tai Chi) forms, how to fall, mediation, and medicine.  The founders of modern Hapkido and Akido, both studied with the same master.


     


    One of the most well rounded schools, but because to encompasses so much it can take a long time to both understand it and master it.


     


    Jeet Kune Do -- I didn't see anyone mention it  While hard to find people who actually trained with Bruce Lee or from that lineage, if you do, you can get great insights into the physics of a body applied to the destruction or incapacitation of another.  One caveat, even at its best, JKD, seems to have calcified a bit.  Lee thought deeply about martial arts, analyzed everything he could, and continued to experiment to improve what he did.  Like many things carrying on a legacy, JKD schools may teach everything Lee did until his death, but few seem to carry on his spirit of constant questioning and improvement.


     


    That said, I highly recommend you get a copy of Teri Tom's book, The Straight Lead: The Core of Bruce Lee's Jun Fat Jeet Kune Do.  An entire book dedicated to a punch!  IMHO -- Just brilliantly written and conceived.  She has her detractors.  She operates in a competitive field.  But if you want to harness your body, physics, and momentum to hit something as hard and as fast as possible, start with Teri's book.


     


    I guarantee you'll find yourself spending a great deal of time running through key scenes in old Bruce Lee movies one frame at a time.  Teri Tom did.  I think she deserves a Pulitzer Prize.




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    I would read Bruce Lee's philosophies on martial arts. Bruce Lee was interested in nothing but practicality like Katolotus suggested martial art should be. 


     


    I'm sure you would like it. :)

     


    There is some disagreement in jeet kune do, one side says; "Anything is jeet kune do, thats what Bruce Lee said" and the other that says: "We should express ourselves freely in combat, like Bruce said; use no limitation as limitation, but if you're going to teach something Bruce didn't teach; don't call it jeet kune do, because you're using his name or life-work for profit".


     


    Even if you train classical karate if you read a little bit of Bruce Lee, he'll change the way you look at martial arts for the better for ever.




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    I have a buddy who does jeet kune do and loves it, his head is always burried in this book by Bruce Lee in class lol


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  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭

    Are you looking for something that you might not get addicted to? ;-)


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  • I would also highly recommend BJJ.  It's submission grappling but at the white belt level is heavily concentrated on survival (not getting tapped or choked out). 


     


    Most gyms will have a program for what you're looking for.  If you're just wanting to train and get better or if you want to compete. 


     


    Like was mentioned, BJJ is a chess match at most points in the fight.  If I move here, he'll do this and then I can do this, etc... It's very humbling as well.


     


    Normally BJJ is mixed with Muay Thai to mix in a striking art for either self defense or MMA. Muay Thai is also a very good self defense are art as it's stand is setup for blocking with your hands, forearms and legs (open stance guarding your face).


     


    I have been taking BJJ for about a  year now and it's been great.  I haven't done much Muay Thai just because I've really been focusing on BJJ and can't go to the gym 5 days a week since i have a family.


     


    If you are in fact in Cape Town South Africa there is a Gracie Academy there: http://www.graciejiujitsu.co.za/


     


    They are the pioneers of modern day BJJ. 


  • I knew a qigong master.  The guy was fat but he can move so quick.  He was teaching me the style at the starting point but I was too busy with work.  He can put a lot of power behind his kicks with little physical effort.  if he was to do it with actual full force he could do some serious damage.  Qigong is an internal martial arts and very powerful, don't let the soft style fool you.   


  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭

    made a choice yet?


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  • edited July 2013

    For now I'm pretty sold on Shaolin Kung Fu, I think I have been from the very start but I really appreciate all of the input that you guys have given. I know I've benefited from seeing the other opinions, and I'm sure there are some others out there who will have also benefited from reading through the thread.


     


    Right now I'm reading two different books:


    - The Shaolin Workout: 28 Days to Transforming Your Body and Soul the Warrior's Way: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GNF4VM


    - Tai Chi - The Perfect Exercise: Finding Health, Happiness, Balance, and Strength: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CGNPP5Y


     


    I can't quite remember how I decided on those two particular books to read, I didn't do much comparison between books on similar topics (so I'm sure that there are perhaps some better ones out there).


    My main criteria for choosing them was that 1) they had to be useful and instructive, 2) they needed to include some basic history of the martial arts, and 3) they needed to be short .


     


    I've read through the Shaolin Workout and am starting the 28-day routine today, and I'm about half-way through the Tai Chi book now too.


     


    I understand that reading from a book is absolutely no replacement for actual face-to-face instruction by an experienced teacher, but I wish to get a good basic understanding of the martial art and also work on my flexibility before signing up for any proper classes (more cost effective this way). I also just love reading and am finding them both very fascinating :)


  • yeah books suck. i think traditions are best learned...traditionally. from a teacher who learned from a teacher who learned from a teacher etc. maybe its different for other arts, but i don't feel like people who've read up on capoeira before coming to my class have much more of an idea of what they're getting into than someone who just saw a brief clip of it on TV or something. books are okay for an outsider's perspective, but they inevitably have some bias and agenda that they are pushing. maybe not as big of a deal in an art that is more standardized.


  • katolotuskatolotus ✭✭✭

    Sounds like the dance instructor vs the book worm ;-)


     


    FIGHT!


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  • edited July 2013

    There is a surprising amount of finesse and technique to BJJ, esp with the gi as opposed to no gi. I don't understand the "too competitive" thing. Wouldn't that just motivate you to continue to train and improve? Trust me you'll need motivation bc there's no way you're going to be any good right off the bat. I don't care how competitive you are. You're going to get smashed by everyone for at least a few months until you can even hang with the beginners and everyone learns to tap before they get hurt pretty early.


     


    On the pus side you'll be learning something that's actually practical and effective for self defense. Biggest issue with BJJ guys when it comes to a real fight is they lose it when someone starts throwing punches. But if you know a few good sweeps and chokes you're way ahead of the average person and most fights end up on the ground. Still wouldn't advise pulling guard in a street fight...


     


    There is a reason you don't see Kung Fu in the UFC (and it's not because it's too deadly for sports or some other nonsense). It is just straight up not effective. Honestly I wouldn't waste my time.


     


    Here is a great example of how all that esoteric nonsense goes in a real fight. It's actually kind of sad to see this kung fu "master" just get his ass handed to him when his chi ball doesn't work.


     



     


     


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  • @Shady, part of it is just that competitiveness tends to cause me a lot of unnecessary stress. I try to avoid as much stress as possible in my life.


     


    The other part is that I'm very much a pacifist to some degree. I live in South Africa where violence is very much rampant, and I've had family members that were jailed for refusing to join the army during the racist Apartheid movement. I understand that being trained to fight in a safe controlled environment such as BJJ as mentioned above is a sensible conclusion for wanting to avoid or survive violence in real life. It's just not enough reason though :)

  • another reason i love capoeira. its got a nice balance of competitiveness and cooperation. you want to win definitely, but you win by injuring/killing metaphorically instead of actually damaging your comrade's body, saving the deadly potential in case there is some random moment where you really need it. the chess analogy kinda holds up here too, its all about strategy, technique, and slickness over power and speed. i don't see how folks maintain the motivation to practice arts that result in injuries on a regular basis. i suspect its some weird blend of masochism, sadism, and some urge to prove that you're the alpha male. I really don't think someone's MMA stats has any indication of how likely they are to have a longer life, or even necessarily to be able to defend themselves if they were attacked on the street.


     


    ...and no, thats not a challenge to anyone, just me justifying how much of a wuss i am. carry on with the brawling. 


  • Having some moderate martial arts experience to date, and planning on delving deeply into it and competing in the near future, I believe I can offer some good suggestions. To be honest, I'm not quite familiar with all the martial arts you originally posted that you had access to, but Qi Gong in the strictest sense would be the most peculiar and useful to me - both lowers stress and teaches you how to channel and use stress, thus becoming more resilient to it; it's meditative; it's a form of a light workout; socialization; etc. I have experience with wrestling - both folkstyle and a bit of freestyle, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and a year of karate. I personally enjoy the grappling martial arts because that's what I have experience with, but I'd love to do some Thai Boxing or Eskrima.


     


    For your purposes/wants/needs I would do the Qi Gong/Tai Chi activities, or for an actual 'martial art', karate can be very meditative if you have a good environment and decent instructor(s). All martial arts have a mindfulness/meditative aspect, because if you're not 'in the now' while doing it, you won't benefit or if you're competing/sparring you will essentially get your ass kicked, lol. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to me is very meditative, although it gets intense. As others have recommended I would look up some Krav Maga places, because I hear they typically aren't very competitive because you aren't doing it for competitions sake - you'd basically be doing some 'active meditation', socialization, a light workout, and getting in a very efficient self-defense class. Another would be Eskrima, if I remember correctly that is stick fighting and what not. Another great one would be Ninjitsu - it isn't frequently used in competition, and if it ever is they Ninjitsu practitioner doesn't really fare well, but outside of the cage/dojo/mat a Ninjitsu practitioner can probably kill another martial artist (so I've heard, lol). Let us know how it goes!


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  • systema is also worth a look for what you're looking for.
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